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24. augustus 2011, 10:12:23
Übergeek 바둑이 
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> Rebels have breached Col Muammar Gaddafi's compound in Tripoli,

There is nothing worse in this world than lies and propaganda. Looking at what has happened in Lybia makes me wonder whether our western governments are abject morons who act without thinking, or whether they are callous fascists who act only for wealth and power.

I say this because our mass media is incapable of digging at the truth of anything. I think everyone should read this article that was published as far back as March:

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links

Some 5000 posta go I said that Al Qaeda had infiltrated the Lybian rebel movement and what our governments were doing was feeding Al Qaeda. Consider some snippets from the article:

"Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the battle against Muammar Gaddafi's regime. "

"Idriss Deby Itno, Chad's president, said al-Qaeda had managed to pillage military arsenals in the Libyan rebel zone and acquired arms, "including surface-to-air missiles, which were then smuggled into their sanctuaries"."

"Mr al-Hasidi admitted he had earlier fought against "the foreign invasion" in Afghanistan, before being "captured in 2002 in Peshwar, in Pakistan". He was later handed over to the US, and then held in Libya before being released in 2008."

"Earlier this month, al-Qaeda issued a call for supporters to back the Libyan rebellion, which it said would lead to the imposition of "the stage of Islam" in the country."

Maybe I am really dim, but why are our governments providing money, weapons, training and air force support to a rebel movement that wants to bring Al Qaeda's values to Lybia? If al-Hasidi was captured in Afghanistan, the USA knew that he was an Al Qaeda operative. They also knew that his fighters were in Iraq fighting against and killing Coalition soldiers.

Western governments are really naive if they think that Lybia will magically become a democracy. Nato has planted the seeds of another sectarian violence quagmire by allowing Al Qaeda and its veterans from Iraq into Lybia.

"Mustafa Gheriani, a businessman and rebel spokesman, acknowledged the ragtag inefficiencies of the revolutionary councils but urged me not to believe Qaddafi’s charges of extremism. “The people here are looking to the West, not to some kind of socialist or other extreme system—that’s what we had here before,” he said. “But, if they become disappointed with the West, they may become easy prey for extremists.”
(From the New Yorker)

The West already destroyed Iraq for its oil. Now they are doing to Lybia too. Either our governments are absolute morons, or callous fascists. Either way, all I see is nothing but propaganda and lies.

24. augustus 2011, 12:21:22
Mort 
Onderwerp: Re:Some 5000 posta go I said that Al Qaeda had infiltrated the Lybian rebel movement and what our governments were doing was feeding Al Qaeda. Consider some snippets from the article:
Übergeek 바둑이: ok....

"Mr al-Hasidi admitted that he had recruited "around 25" men from the Derna area in eastern Libya to fight against coalition troops in Iraq. Some of them, he said, are "today are on the front lines in Adjabiya". "

Personally, I would expect some al-Qaeda supporters to be involved. There is no strong indication at the moment that al-Qaeda is running the rebellion, just they are taking part.. which considering the region and politics is nothing strange.

Does that mean al-Qaeda will fill the power vacuum? I don't think so.

"Western governments are really naive if they think that Lybia will magically become a democracy."

I don't think they are that naive... And as it was the people doing the ground fighting rather than westerners it's going to be harder for al-Qaeda to 'recruit'. This is a popular revolution/civil war, not an invasion.

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