Purple: Look, I want play honestly. If I want play�against programs I don't need connect BK. Do you want I�delete my previous post? Ok, I do it. (edited to make it acceptable)

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sobek: Someone (Purple) wants I delete my post. Sorry everybody

Undertaker :-)) I watch your game :-) I don't understand :-) stoupa in current game had winning combination in 8 move :-DDDDD and more next game (with by the perhaps? :-)) ) is very very same as Paswil 2.5 (good czech draughts program but not same best) :)

Undertaker, we play 2 games and You know, that we play correct :-) I check this game and I answer You tomorow :-)

Keep it nice guys.

mangue: no, because I am better as draughts programs :-))) I use to draughts program to analyze REAL games no net game. I want play against human no computer. If I want play against draughts program, I don't need connect to game server :-)

sobek: I am totally agreing and this very certain that computer is a problem in "offline" site. This is also the main reason why I hardly ever play chess, unless I know my opponent in real life and trust him.

On the other hand, it is hopeless to get rid of computer assisted opponent. You can write code of conducts, etc...

An opponent playing only the computer moves would be bored quite quickly. However, if you do "study" with a computer, it will be almost impossible to detect.

Also, I am sure that you use a computer to play here at least to make your move and talk on the forums ;-)

mangue: Mangue,
me friend from czech tolt me about it, and sended me for check draughts program. And if player(his opponent) play all move (from first to last) as program, what do You think? Opponent is genius? Or cheater? And not existed only one but more players. I check another players(czech serious players tolt me, who)and I find next player use program. I am human, no program :-)In real know me more, more good players :-)

of course I want to have human opponents too, but it is my opponent who decides, and I cannot change it

thanks sobek for not saying stupid
you seems to be certain to know who is playing with computer and who is not, so probably you know how a computer is different. By the way, are you a human or a computer

mangue: sorry but You are crazy (I want wrote stupid)
I beat more programs and "programs players". I more play in real and online, but I want play against people, no PC. I lost only with people

cheaters are definitely annoying, but it is at least as annoying to be accused to be a cheater by a loser as to be beaten by "program"

sobek: Do you have solid proof they are using programs or just you think they are from how they play? I dont think putting out a list is a good idea but you could check with Fencer and see what he says and if he ok's it then feel free to post it.

Who has like experience as I?
More czech players use draughts program.
I can make out list players,which use on 100%

Happy New Year,

Sophisticated contestants please message me to arrange faster matches.

No cheating!

Hrm, reading the rules does help, i guess. ^_^;
:-b

Hmm, i thought the "X/Y/Z" notation had something to do with the vacation days and bonus days and whatnot...
Never thought there could be a total time limit for games, and 1 day is for sure too low to me. ^^

Thanks for clearing it. :)

portugal: Read the time control line more carefully. It says "time for game", not "move".

Good evening.

It might be just me that didn't understand the rules of the time limits properly, but... see:

http://brainking.com/en/ArchivedGame?g=1220608

Last move by me is «2. December 2005, 01:46:42»
But then i get a message:
«You ran out of time (Gothic Checkers) francescolr 2. December 2005, 08:39:59»

?!? I thought i had one day for each move?
I don't understand this. x_x

Marfitalu: Most likely a draw.

If white could catch Black sleeping, white could try to place 1 piece at A7, a second piece at C5

Then try to place your third piece where black would have to jump, and then auto-jump and capture C5 piece also - leaving them on B6 so you can jump and win.

But if black is smart, they can most likely stay away from that trap also and go for the draw.

Marfitalu: draw

there are too few czech check ty's , so I decided to host one myself.
!! czech check it out !!
Don't mis out on this one, it will be a big one; sign up soon, it will start November 12

Pedro Martínez: I don't, but thanks.

bitwisexor: If you have one of your queens on the main diagonal, you should be able to win.

Proboably a stupid question, but is a pawn with no way of getting to a queen if the opponent plays well and two queens vs a queen a draw?

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am playing a game against Sodek, and it says below the game that a draw would result in zero bkr ponts for me. That looks odd to me, as Sodek's rating is 250 points higher then mine.
You would think a draw against such a fine player would help you increase your bkr somewhat ..

SilentBob: Draw.

Stupid question from a checkers apprentice ;-(
Is 2 queens vs. 1 queen a draw or a forced win?

Pedro Martínez: thanks for the answer .. i was mistaken though .. i am playing a game of 'checkers' and not 'czech checkers' ;) .. i will post the question again on the 'checkers' board

Har: Thanks for your replies. I couldn't find anything in the czech rules,and didn't remember such in the checkers. Learn something new everyday!

BIG BAD WOLF:
We both know that in Checkers rules there is no such rule, so a new player will not go to the Checkers rules because he assumes he knows the checkers rules. He even play the checkers and see okay, I know this game so no problem. Then he plays the variants, and you know that we have to explain the rules to new comers, because they don't understand it. Again I'm not saying because of me or you, we are already fan of checkers variants. I really think that the Checkers variants rules should be improved.

Ferjo: I will agree with you that the rules are not always easy to understand. (If someone would like to re-write the rules to be clearer, I know Fencer would take a look at putting them up - if they are good enough.)

But, in the rules it says something about the rules being the same as Checkers.

You then need to look at the rules of Checkers, and you will find this rule:

If the player has more possibilities to capture opponent's pieces, he/she can select any of them. However, when a queen (in variants with long jumps) can make a jump, the player cannot select a pawn to jump with.

Again, I agree the rules would be MUCH beter if all directions are in one place, and not have to keep looking at different pages to find the complete rules.

Stevie:
I enjoy the game too, but if there is a section with game rules why not they are acurate instead of being somehow "tricky"...
Thats what I'm saying.
And I meant Chances of course not change on the last post.. sorry about that.

I dont mind to be honest, I enjoy the game enough that if I lose..I try to learn from it, and if its to a Czech player..then from what you say, I should learn more :o)

Stevie:
No Stevie I don't agree, it just means that Czech players have more change to win, because they know very well the game.

Ferjo: It just means that some of us "accustomed" players get a chance at a few easier wins with the new players then

Fencer:
Sorry Fencer but it doesn't and it should, this is what its written on game rules concerning Czech Checkers:

"Czech Checkers differs from the standard Checkers by the queen (similar to a king in Checkers) movement. When a pawn reaches the last row, it turns to a queen immediately and the queen can move and any spaces diagonally. It can also jump over an enemy's piece any spaces diagonally and make multiple jumps. Moreover, a queen does not have to land directly behind the captured piece, it can choose (when jumping) any other empty square in the line but does not have to jump over two or more pieces at once. The following picture shows a multiple jump made by the white queen (before and after the move):

2 images of Board, explaining the Queen Capture.

The other rules are the same as for normal Checkers."

In my opinion the rules of Checkers variations are somehow vague, its a thing that must be improven at BK. For me doesn't matter because I accompany often the games, so I adapt quickly. But for new players I reckon its very confused. Because what they read in the rules and what its implemented its very different.

Har: Yes, it is mentioned in the rules.

if your in position to jump with a queen,and a pawn. Is it a rule you must jump with your queen? I've had this happen twice and would've prefered to have jumped with the pawn

I reckon it depends on positioning. Now the rule of having to capture most is in place, its made it easier to stay away from draws. So I would say the list of draws you just showed Pedro could be reduced a bit

Well, it depends on the situation and position of your QUEENS, but if you play against someone who at least doesn't play this game for the first time, I would recommend a draw. IMHO, you need three queens to capture your opponent's one queen. 1v1, 1v2, 2v2, 2v3, 3v3 should be a draw.

when can a game in czech checkers be considered a draw ?

we both have 3 kings ... and nothing else left

good books Bad Bishop

Pedro - He was a member, but I believe he was banned so now he is a pawn again. A lot can happen in 1 day! :-)

How can you be in as a pawn???

thanks Bad Bishop

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There is a lot of websites about checkers (draughts), e.g. Jim Loy's page is a good start. I like Bob Newell's page very much. Books in English (about checkers) are also no problem, but I personally don't know any book/website in English about the Czech variant, there are AFAIK only some about the "pool checkers" (see Amazon). It's a pain to get some books even in Czech... :-)