whopper: If a paying member expires, he stays at the paying members chart for the rest of the month. And if a pawn upgrades to a payed membership, he is moved to the next chart immediately, of course.

Fencer: with 2 points per board once an hour , even if 10 different boards have new messages every hour and if someone stays up 24 hours to read all 10 boards every hour , that totals to 2 X 10 X 24 = 480 and ofcoarse no one can be here 24 hours at least no day by day. since its summer holidays , ive been here 15 - 16 hours daily and reading boards every hour and the max points i got were 200 something. kotDB has openly said that there is a bug and hes making points to prove it but besides that there are other people now who have 400+ points for boards per day ..i noticed 2 - 3 , sahar , the lamer and peca. my question is can we get rid of points for boards so that evryone gets points for making moves. that way i think there will be no cheating.

Fencer: with 2 points per board once an hour , even if 10 different boards have new messages every hour and if someone stays up 24 hours to read all 10 boards every hour , that totals to 2 X 10 X 24 = 480 and ofcoarse no one can be here 24 hours at least no day by day. since its summer holidays , ive been here 15 - 16 hours daily and reading boards every hour and the max points i got were 200 something. kotDB has openly said that there is a bug and hes making points to prove it but besides that there are other people now who have 400+ points for boards per day ..i noticed few people sahar , the lamer , luisifer and peca. my question is can we please please get rid of points for boards so that everyone gets points for making moves. that way i think there will be no cheating and points would be fair.

sidpatel: If I do it and Czuch Chuckers complain again about "it's not fair!", I will tell him to ask you for the explanation, okay?

Fencer: ok thankyou very very much

Fencer: i dont know how changes are made but if you have to get ridf of all everyones move points again just to make change and even though i am on top i still dont mind because then atleast no one would cheat. thankyou again.

sidpatel: I don't think it's cheating as long as it follows the rules. Anyway, this is just a test month.

Fencer: ok . thanks for letting me know. guess i should try figure out how other people are doing it ...lol

So we do not keep filling this board up with a long discussion, I've posted some ideas for the points system on the General Chat Board - come take a look, and add your own suggestions & ideas.

Fencer: I understand that this is just a test month, but I think people are a little upset since you are giving away nice prizes and they don't think that all discussion points are being earned fairly. And from a post by KotDB, it would seem that they are correct.

Fencer: Just so that I'm clear on this..

There's a trick which people can use to get more than one point from the same posts on a board and this isn't cheating. It's okay to use the trick.

Everyone knows how to make moves in games. Everyone knows how to visit a board to read a post. This is knowledge that the site provides.

Not everybody knows this multiple-points-from-boards trick (perhaps involving different browsers, multiple windows, cookie files, or who knows what - and I'm not one of them yet).

If I and sid and everyone else knew this trick we could make 1000s of board-reading points with it. But we don't know it. You say it's a legitimate tactic yet we don't know how to do it.

Would you be willingly to let us all know how to gain these multiple points, please, so that the competition can be fair?

And, just to confirm .. If I or sid discover how to use this trick and stop trying to win by making moves and simply make 4000 points per day from this trick, you'll be happy to let the points stand?

playBunny: It's not possible to get more than one (two) point from the same posts. But I agree the actual "reading" cannot be easily detected, so I am willing to remove the board points but they must be replaced by something else, in order to keep the four options. Make your suggestion.

Fencer: I'm not against having board points, but maybe limit it to 200 or 300 a day. That would easily prevent cheating, but still promote reading the boards relatively often.

gambler104: It's just a little frustrating when you play all night to try to get points, and then someone comes and gets a lot more without half of the work.

gambler104: No matter what limit is created, the boards can be always accessed by a script (I've already detected something like this yesterday). The points for game wins would be a better option.
Hey, this is a game site, not a chat site! The point system should support playing games, not reading boards.

Fencer: How about something like I suggested on General Chat - give 10 points for reading a public board, 5 points for fellowship board - but limit that to once a day for each board.

That way it will still encourage user to read (or at least look) at the boards, but they don't feel like then need to come every hour and click on every board just to gain points. (just once a day)

BIG BAD WOLF: Game wins.

Fencer: Game wins - are you going to limit how many points you can gain from the same opponent?

If not, i can see a couple getting 50 games between then, just to quickly play (or resign) just to get some free points. (and of course you will hear about it here shortly after that about players gaining points unfairly)

BIG BAD WOLF: People may already do that to earn more moving points...

BIG BAD WOLF: Yes, it will be counted only once a day with the same opponent.

Fencer: That sounds good. I think a lot of people would like it a lot. Like you said, it is a game site. And I think that would take away potential bugs. But I think you would need to implement something like BBW said and limit it to two wins a day against the same player. And some people might complain about board points being taken away, but I think the majority would support it. Thanks.

gambler104: That wouldn't be a problem. If someone sabotages you then you simply don't play them again.

playBunny: I guess that works.

Fencer: "It's not possible to get more than one (two) point from the same posts."

I reckon I could proves that by simply listing the times of posts made to the boards in 24 hours, chopping the list up into hours and counting. It'll be easily less than the 700 board-hours (1400 points) that Sahar has clocked up since the last server midnight.

For now, I'll take it as a yes on the board points and I'll plead with KotDB to publish the method so that everyone can exploit it. ;-)

But I much prefer your offer to kill the board points and replace it with something. I think gambler104 suggested using wins a while back.

Whether that's games won or whole matches could be an interesting debate but I don't mind myself. If it's games then playing anything goes.. If it's matches then (serious) competitors would simply stop playing multi-pointers. ;-)

Resigned games ought to be discounted from such a scheme.

playBunny: The resignation suggestion has a flaw with players attempting to sabotage others. If I didn't want you to get a point for a win, I simply resign a game you are winning. I like BBW suggestion better.

playBunny: You're forgetting the posts in the past ;)

If you don't have the habbit of going through all DB's to read the posts, most of them will have plenty of unread posts.
All you have to do is to make sure you only read one post per hour - that way you'll have plenty to read in the hours to come. It's easy to go to the first unread post.
If you multiply the over 100 boards by 24 hours, you'll easilly get over 2000 points.

But who cares, since the action points for reading posts are going away anyway? ;)