(V): I didn't claim he isn't a U.S. citizen. My question is why does he act as though he has something to hide? What happens if you are asked to provide proof of who you are when applying for a drivers licence, and you say no? He obviously has something to show or he couldn't have gone from weed toking scholar to community activist and then into politics. So why all the fuss? What is so important to him that he is willing to let some lame conspiracy theory go unchecked. All he had to do was show papers that any presidential hopeful is asked to show. He could still do it. Could have done it at any time. As for anyone else profiting from Obamas apparent lack of transparency, so what? Obama was in control of the story. If it is wrong for anyone other than Obama to profit from that story, then all Obama had to do was .. wait for it .. hold on to your chair .. this could be a paradigm shifting revelation .. chamber pot and paper bag ready? .. all Obama had to do was practice what he preaches.

Iamon lyme: Maybe it's all in Conservative American paranoia that he had something to hide and nowhere else. The focus on his birth certificate reminds me of an old Zen story of a monk accused of having a baby with an unmarried woman who said it was him to protect the real father.

His reply to all the accusations.. "Is that so?"
http://users.rider.edu/~suler/zenstory/isthatso.html

"Obama was in control of the story."

.. Is that so?

(V): ".. Is that so?" Yes, that is so. If it is not so, then in your own words please, explain how Obama honoring request for proof of citizenship would have triggered an investigation into proof of citizenship? Showing requested papers would not have put speculation to rest, because there would be no speculation to put to rest. He didn't just control the story, he inspired it. So in your own words please, explain the logic behind Obamas reluctance to not appear to be hiding anything?

Iamon lyme: Because as the statistics show .. it don't matter. A percentage will always feel he's lying. Regardless of it being written in mile high letters (see God's final message to the universe) they would still would not believe him. This is the reality of how brainwashed some people are in America, it's called extremism. It's present in all Countries.

As to the wedding.. yes we pay for the security, which was from various estimates about £40,000,000 (tops, Bernices figure ) yet at the same time created from the event 100's of millions in tourism revenue.

You did know that tourism from international travellers was £9,000,000,000 last year to London.

(V): According to Jay Leno, the Queen felt that 65,000,000 was too much to shell out for a wedding in these uncertain economic times. If security came to about 40,000,000, then does this mean the wedding only cost the families 25,000,000? A mere pittance! I think Bernice was telling me how much tax payers pay every year to keep the royal family in business.. that was the figure I was trying to catch. As to you explaining in your own words the logic of Obamas lack of transparency.. "it don't matter" to whom?

Iamon lyme: Well, I'm looking at several estimates and taking an average of those estimates.. as I doubt at this present time a accurate figure can be obtained.. takes a few weeks or so for the police to cook their expenses!!

"think Bernice was telling me how much tax payers pay every year to keep the royal family in business."

Yes.. well. lol that cherry picked figure ignores the income (in excess of £260 million) that the UK Treasury gets from the Royal Family each year... ie $520,0000.000 .

.. It don't matter to extreme right wingers as it doesn't to extreme anti government groups. They are present in the USA and certain figures suggest a 25% "still don't believe" figure despite the release and confirmation of Obama's long birth cert.

(V): "..release and confirmation of Obama's long birth cert." 25% still don't believe what about his long birth cert? How long does it take for any bona fide U.S. citizen to provide a birth record? How long do you suppose it took for him to provide proof of identity and birth when getting his drivers license? Try getting one of those for only a song and a dance.

Iamon lyme: So.. you are saying he has a driver licence and yet all these conspiracy theories kept on being given probability space in extremists heads!! What is going on in right wing land to be able to let it be such big news.

Some UK journalists recon it's took take the lime light off events in the Middle East as yet another USA supported gov gets heavy handed with it's people!!

(V): My special ops forces found your straw man factory last night. We have captured many of your minions and are holding them hostage. They will be well cared for if you agree not to harm the remaining straw men at your factory. Logic clearly eludes you (2. May 2011, 18:41:15) so maybe you can be persuaded into releasing the remaining straw men in exchange for the ones we captured.

Iamon lyme: Ok.. you are dodging a fact of life to somehow make art of your conspiracy theory? ..............

Is that what that Jerome Corsi does in his books, like the responsibility dodging extreme right wing sites.. "it's all Obama's fault.. the rest of history did not happen. Oh noooooo"

(V): I didn't dodge the message posted 2. May 2011, 18:41:15

Iamon lyme: What is your question.. do you know?? The President didn't pamper to conspiracy theory... oh no.... it's Watergate all over again!!

", because there would be no speculation to put to rest. He didn't just control the story, he inspired it."

Yes there would be.. the programming has been very subtle you probably missed it.

(V): The president didn't need to pamper to "conspiracy theory" because he initiated it. After that he could sit back and let straw men factory owners spin it for him. Not as subtle as you might imagine, but don't let that stop you from imagining.

Iamon lyme: Or you, who knows.. Jerome Corsi might solve who killed Kenny beyond a shadow of doubt. The Genesis arguers might wander if Eden is a historical tale and how man will see it again... but not in our lifetime.

But that's all cyclic talk

Iamon lyme: the figure I gave you was the cost of security for the wedding....well ONE of the costs that have been floating around the net anyway.

England is in such a bad economic position they needed something to try and boost that fact....the wedding appears to have been it, but it will be shortlived and "back to the poverty line" they will go.

Bernice: Nobody is in a particularly good state at the moment. Not the UK (England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland).. nor the USA or Australia. And yes.. the wedding might be capable of generating a few 100 million pounds in tourist and service industry income within the UK and the rest of the world via logistics, etc.

Our growth GDP last year was not much less then your own countries. Also just as the snow last year effected the last quarter figures in the UK it is expected that Australia's latest growth results to be either 0% or less due to Mother Nature's hand.