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24. Iunie 2009, 07:17:44
Hrqls 
Subiectul: Re: People who resign
i think nationality doesnt make a difference. culture might or the way someone has being raised by their parents (in any culture)

the main point is ... you are resigning as a favour for your opponent ... therefore its an good ethiquette to warn your opponent you will resign (or ask him if you can) unless you already know what your opponent wants

24. Iunie 2009, 09:53:39
Carl 
Subiectul: Re: People who resign
tfra11: "Here in the USA, if we quit, even if we're mathematically eliminated, we're called sore losers".What rubbish!Giving up graciously in a game you can not possibly win has nothing to do with being a sore loser.no matter what country you happen to be born in.One of the top backgammon players on this site (hello Alan) is an American citizen and he will always resign an obvious loss.

24. Iunie 2009, 14:55:55
gogul 
Speaking with games, the cube decision seems to fit in this drop/hold it discussion. Because if culture is involved, you like to take a look at the peak moment. It's like this comic: When you are at best with your girl you can consider to let a new love start growing from the bottom (j/k).

29. Iunie 2009, 15:06:39
Herlock Sholmes 
Subiectul: 63 !

this is the number of initial positions for Massacre Chess ... or


63 ! = 1.98260832 × 1087


29. Iunie 2009, 15:51:56
Resher 
Subiectul: Re: 63 !
Herlock Sholmes:That would be the case if all 64 pieces were unique, but they're not here.  I haven't got time now to come up with what I think is the right answer, but it will be lower than (8^57)x 7! = 1.5 x 10^55

29. Iunie 2009, 16:12:25
AbigailII 
Subiectul: Re: People who resign
tfra11: Here in the USA, if we quit, even if we're mathematically eliminated, we're called sore losers.

That's why in America's national passtime, baseball, all 9 innings are always played fully (there's always a bottom of the 9th), and the World Series is always exactly 7 games. And it's easy to pick out the American chess players in tournaments - they always play until mated.

29. Iunie 2009, 16:16:29
Herlock Sholmes 
Subiectul: Re: 63 !
Resher: It wasn't my calculation ... it was done by a mathematician ... maybe he was wrong, I don't know..

29. Iunie 2009, 16:50:58
Czuch 
Subiectul: Re: People who resign
AbigailII: This is crazy.... I can agree that you can be considered a sore loser if you simply quit when you get behind, but to resign a game with no mathematical possibility to win, that is completely different.


Baseball, there is always a mathematical chance to win, and that is true for all sports. But a game like backgammon, there is a point when it is not finished, where one player has no mathematical chance to win.

Of course, here on Brainking, there is always a chance that someone can timeout, which is not a normal situation for games in general.

29. Iunie 2009, 17:12:13
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: 63 !
Herlock Sholmes:
the right formula is 64! / ((8!)^8) = 1,816572393163080675696402792818e+52 which is still more than the amount of cents I have in my bank account.

29. Iunie 2009, 17:13:35
awesome 
Subiectul: Re: People who resign
AbigailII: you must not watch much baseball, you are wrong on both the points you are trying to make and using baseball as an example...

...1. the bottom of the 9th is NOT always played if the home team has the lead after the top of the 9th !!!

2. the World Series is a best of 7...the first to 4 wins wins...they DO NOT always play 7 games !!!!

29. Iunie 2009, 17:47:02
AbigailII 
Subiectul: Re: 63 !
rabbitoid: That number doesn't consider reflections or rotations.

29. Iunie 2009, 18:04:15
pauloaguia 
Subiectul: Re: People who resign
awesome: I think she was being ironic...

29. Iunie 2009, 19:32:43
gogul 
Subiectul: Re: People who resign
pauloaguia: And Baseball is awesome

29. Iunie 2009, 19:39:07
rod03801 
Subiectul: Re: People who resign
awesome: Right, her point was that in baseball (considered the "American sport") games DO end when there is no mathematical way for the team to win. This was in response to tfra11 who is trying to say that it is "UnAmerican" to resign a game that is definitely lost.

She made an excellent point.

29. Iunie 2009, 20:12:19
gogul 
Subiectul: Re: People who win
rod03801: Dang that was fast. Triple play and next inning

29. Iunie 2009, 20:19:18
Czuch 
Subiectul: Re: People who resign
rod03801: I think you have it backwards.... in baseball, the game will end if there is no mathematical way for the home team to lose!

29. Iunie 2009, 20:24:42
rod03801 
Subiectul: Re: People who resign
Czuch: Well whatever, lol. I wasn't thinking it all the way out. Her point still was that games aren't played out all the way, if they don't need to be.

If you haven't read the whole thread, you will see where she is coming from, if you do.

I'm as American as any other American, and I have certainly resigned games that are mathematically impossible for me to win, and I feel comfortable saying that probably most others do as well. It was an inaccurate generalization on the part of tfra11.

29. Iunie 2009, 20:27:40
Czuch 
Subiectul: Re: People who resign
rod03801: It was more than simply an inaccurate generalization, it was flat out a misrepresentation

29. Iunie 2009, 20:33:50
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: 63 !
AbigailII: Right. divide again by 8.

29. Iunie 2009, 21:05:31
gogul 
Subiectul: Re: People who resign
tfra11: Ever saw a Man mounted? Nay, never.

29. Iunie 2009, 22:18:48
Bernice 
Gosh the drugs must be extra strong today

30. Iunie 2009, 03:41:09
Czuch 
Subiectul: Re: People who resign
gogul: Ever man a mounted saw? Ay, forever.

30. Iunie 2009, 04:26:16
Czuch 
Subiectul: Re: People who resign
Czuch: I have done some construction in my life, and I have personally manned a mounted saw, many times actually, but that is just me...

30. Iunie 2009, 17:48:09
awesome 
Subiectul: Re: People who resign
rod03801:I missed that..my bad..sorry AbigailII...

1. Iulie 2009, 11:55:10
Fencer 
Subiectul: Connection issues
Due to a broken optical link (somewhere in Prague) BrainKing is currently not accessible for the most users outside Czech Republic. Game timeouts have been stopped until the problem is solved.

1. Iulie 2009, 13:03:31
pauloaguia 
Subiectul: Re: Connection issues
Fencer: I can get here now. Been out for about an hour or so...

1. Iulie 2009, 13:09:11
Hrqls 
Subiectul: Re: Connection issues
Fencer: out for about 1 hour for me as well .. toughest hour of the day :)

1. Iulie 2009, 13:20:51
alexlee 
Subiectul: Re: Connection issues
Fencer:
Ok from U.S. now too

1. Iulie 2009, 17:29:09
Pedro Martínez 
Subiectul: Re: Connection issues
Hrqls:

2. Iulie 2009, 13:19:07
beach 
Modificat de beach (2. Iulie 2009, 13:24:38)
anyone else notice the times for games moves changed on the games today, 3 day games that should read 4 days 23 hrs changed back to 2 days 23 hrs also when I make a move in these games it goes to 2 days 23 hrs, my weekend days are Sat and Sun so they should go to 4 days 23 hrs, something has to be wrong with the clocks, when I logged in this morning all my games were at the same time 2 days 23 hrs

2. Iulie 2009, 13:46:01
tinksbell 
Subiectul: Re:
beach: I noticed games that had 17hrs last night are not listed & I did not time out. I am confused & concerned.

2. Iulie 2009, 13:50:55
beach 
I have over 100 games that do not show on either my turn or my oppontents turn

2. Iulie 2009, 14:25:35
Pedro Martínez 
Subiectul: Re:
beach: Well, I have noticed that 2 days have been added to all of my games. Maybe you should dig a little deeper in the list of your games to find those. :)

2. Iulie 2009, 14:28:15
beach 
2 days are now being added as of this morning last night all my 3 day games were over 4 days 23 which is what they should have been this morning I log on and all those games are 2 days 23 hrs so I lost time not gained time, talked to a couple of other people and they have the same thing, and all games should not have had the same amount of time this morning, they are all played at different times

2. Iulie 2009, 16:18:18
Fencer 
Subiectul: Re:
beach: It's a side effect of the recovery system in case of temporarily disabled timeouts. It tries to balance the time left but does not count with weekend and vacation days.
It will be self-fixed when you make a move.

I think that I will announce the BrainKing Facebook page soon, because I want to use it for instant and quick messages of this kind.

2. Iulie 2009, 18:32:17
Fencer 
Subiectul: Firefox 3.5
By the way, BrainKing works fine with Firefox 3.5. I would say it is even a little faster.

2. Iulie 2009, 23:38:00
beach 
Subiectul: Re:
Fencer: thanks for the explanation

5. Iulie 2009, 00:04:09
MadMonkey 
Subiectul: Re: Firefox 3.5
Fencer: And by the way, if you use Mozilla's Prism brainking is loadssssss faster

(one sad drawback is though you can not have any add-ons)

5. Iulie 2009, 16:29:39
Fencer 
Subiectul: BrainKing on Facebook
For those who do not read BrainKing.info blog. I have started a BrainKing page at Facebook and it is the recommended place to join our discussion about the upcoming new version of BrainKing. Everybody is welcome to add own suggestions or opinions.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/BrainKing/113831815814

5. Iulie 2009, 19:01:06
Czuch 
Subiectul: Re: BrainKing on Facebook
Fencer: Why not Twitter?

5. Iulie 2009, 19:14:08
Fencer 
Subiectul: Re: BrainKing on Facebook
Czuch: I don't like Twitter.

8. Iulie 2009, 22:12:47
tinksbell 
Subiectul: Timeouts
I just got timed out on 6 games, an hour ago I had 14 hours on all the games. Very confused on what is happening to the system... & disappointed. Not sure what to do about it...

8. Iulie 2009, 22:20:14
Bernice 
Subiectul: Re: Timeouts
Modificat de Bernice (8. Iulie 2009, 22:20:39)
tinksbell: now I dont know about fischers clock but are you playing games using that? might be the answer...............

8. Iulie 2009, 22:28:11
tinksbell 
Subiectul: Re: Timeouts
Bernice: I am not sure if any of them were, but it should not have changed from 14 hours to move to -4day. It is impossible to fix that on the users end...

8. Iulie 2009, 22:33:28
MadMonkey 
Subiectul: Re: Timeouts
tinksbell: Yesterday (or was it the day before) i got here to find i had 120 games ALL with the same time on and they were all timing out 35 minutes after i got here. I tried my best, but still had time outs

I presume this was something to do when the site was down the other day, i can not see any other way to end up with all those games having the same time

8. Iulie 2009, 22:37:10
tinksbell 
Subiectul: Re: Timeouts
MadMonkey: Its particularly depressing as I was going to finally win some of those hard to win Pente & Keryo Pente games, they were in tournaments.
:-(

9. Iulie 2009, 09:51:38
pauloaguia 
Subiectul: Re: Timeouts
tinksbell: Did you happen to change your vacation days?
I got that, some time ago when I removed a vacation day from the end of my vacations. Many games of mine (the non Fischer clock ones) went suddenly from 3 days left to -8 or -9 days left. Since that day was already marked as a vacation day I ended up not timing up on any of those games, but I got quite a scare.

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