"but I'm new here and I tried to find the General Chat board but couldn't seem to find it"

http://www.brainking.com/game/Board?bc=181

well blazeinshore sorry if you don't like it but I'm new here and I tried to find the General Chat board but couldn't seem to find it...besides I seee people telling jokes on here and everything else so I don't see why I can't make a comment...if you don't want to see it then don't reply to it...or ignore it...and you don't have to be so rude about...I'm not being mean or mad or anything like that it's just that you could have said it in a nicer way...hi everybody...I'm still in a happy mood :)))))) take care all

Maybe count me in depending.

Hi I hope nobody minds me putting this on this board :o) This will be mainly for people living in the UK but ofcourse everyone is welcome!!!
A few of us have decided to meet up at Alton Towers this summer (possibly August) so we can meet in 'real life' :o) Playing & chatting here is great fun & a lovely way to meet new people & make friends. If anyone is interested in joining us for a great day out & to actually meet each other, please message either myself or Paula28. We still have to confirm a date, so once we find out who is interested in coming along we can try & set a date to suit everyone :o)xxx

Kool feature Fencer thanks! I like those new tourney listings on the main sheet!

dream: Okay, I will add an option to turn it off ;-)

as previously mentioned no need to convince me :)

I still beg to difer on simply going
with the majority and call THAT correct.

If I want to play a dice game I insist
on the correct way to roll it ... *grin*

that's why I don't play net-gammon,
but I'm no missionary to disrecommend it ~*~ ;)

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I just logged in tonight and found a new thingy above my game list, its highlighted and green and asks me if I wish to sign up for a particular tournament, is this a new feature, are we going to have lots of these appear on our game sheets, and if so can we choose not to have them, or only have the ones in the games we play? please? :-)

the thing is, if you are going to have a game, you should have the correct rules, they are rules which the majority of sites and players in the world follow.
So we should not have the illegal move, nor should we have draws in rated backgammon matches. I always figure if you are going to do something you may as well do it right :-)

I think that the option should be there where the players should be able to choose whether only the overall score counts, whether each game counts or whether both count towards ratings.

I think the only time where I would say it was unfair for the higher player not to lose ratings points for losing single matches in a series is with tiemouts but with the vacation feature here I would think that would be unlikely to happen.

Also, there is the danger that high rated players would only play series if the current rules are in place as they know they will proably win overall against lower rated players, making it harder for players to gain ratings points.

Also in the real world, players accept that ratings tend to balance out over a longer period of time with good results balancing bad. As the site on the ratings system says, if you have earned your rating over a greater number of games, the occasional loss should not affect you.

As I have alreasdy said, any drop would only be affected by the number of games. For instance, if there was only a 100pt gap and the higher rated player lost one game from five there would be no drop (or a negligeable one at best) but if there was a 500pt gap and the lower rated player managed to take one game from five, they should be rewarded for their achievment. In the real world high rated players have to keep their guard up all the time, so why not here?
Surely if there is a 500pt gap and thew lower player runs it very close this should be reflected with a ratings change.

"Dmitri: Yes, I think that IYT has this feature (two games). I can do it.
About tournaments - it is already done ;-)"

Awesome! You continue to amaze me with the efficiency with which you get things done. I think soem great tournaments will be held here in the future.

Thanks for all thoughts :-)

The only other thing that comes to mind is a list of all the games with check-box's for each game. (but that would take up a lot of screen space).

Possible when someone is about to create a new tournament, have 3 options: (1) Create Tourny for single game. (2) Create Tourny for multiply games. (3) Create Tourney for all games.

If they pick single or all games, it can go to a screen like it is now. If they pick multiply games, it could go to a screen with a list of all games with check boxes for them to choose just a few games.

Just some thoughts.... :-)

Dmitri: Yes, I think that IYT has this feature (two games). I can do it.
About tournaments - it is already done ;-)

Yes, it is possible but each Add Game click would require the page reload (it must be in JavaScript without page reload). I will think it over.
About tournaments - it must be tested but I think that the main functionality is correct, I hope ;-)

Jondownie, I agree with you, to a certain extent. I think players should still have the OPTION of creating a match with the current rules. But, I would also like to be able to do the following:

invite a player to a 2 game match, one of each color. Both games count for all purposes.
Pente and Keryo pente are usually played in pairs, so this is just a shortcut for having to send two separate invites--- Also, thep layer, under the current system, can decline the invite for the game where he is black, and accept the one where he is white.

Fencer, I think this would be a valuable addition ot the site, it is one of the few areas where I feel the site is lacking, because just about everything else here is great. Of course, I think priority should be given to enabling 2 game sets as an option for tournaments as well.

I'm not sure exactly how to program it - but have 1 list box on the left of the screen (with all the games in it) - on the right side of the screen have an empty list box (where you add which the games) - and in the middle you have "Add Game" and a "Remove Game"

If I explained what I'm thinking in my head well enough, would that solve the problem? Then a user can just select 1 game at a time, add it to the second list box.

And I see that you are adding/testing the 2 games (1 of each color) thing for the tournaments - GREAT! Good Job! :-)

It is WebTV's fault, not yours :-)

sorry i couldnt be more help

Thanks Dave. I will find another solution.

when we delete our msgs, we click more than one box, why would that be any different, or am i still not understanding?

not really no

Erm, perhaps I should be more specific. Sorry :-) Here is the example - when you define a new tournament, you have to select one game type for it. You simply click on the combo box and select one game type, only one. But I would like to change the "combo box" to a "list" where you should be able to select more game types at onces. With Internet Explorer etc. it is possible to click on several items with holding down the ctrl key and the result is that more than on item in this list is selected.
It is possible with WebTV too?

he means something like more than 1 item at the same time... like IE (Internet Explorer) you can have many things (windows) goin at once... unlike MSN TV (Formerly WebTV) where we can only do ONE thing at a time...

I hope this is what you are asking Fencer :-)

I agree,the winner's rating should not drop,why should it,the player earned it.If you are willing to play,you are willing to lose.losers should not whine about it..learn from it...have a positive atitude = do better the next game.isn't that what life is all about?nitzche said"whatever doesn't kill me,just makes me stronger".remember,its just a game,and we are all mature enough to know that & deal with it(I hope).

some things are better slow[wink]..but not servers

Fencer, what do you mean by selecting more than one item on a list? With web, it is only possible to do one thing at a time on the screen. Not like windows.

It all depends on the ratings gap. What if the reslt overall and the results of the individual games was taken into account?

According to the way ratings work only a 500pt gap should ensure wins all the time so surely over a larger number of games the effect would subside.
Big ratings will usually win one offs but smaller ratings can pull off small shocks.

Nope, not just you rabbitoid. It's like walking through treacle here tonight - for me anyway.

indeed some statics perceivable,
despite of my fast connection ... ~*~

or is everybody else going in slow motion too?
hey, even GOLDTOKEN is faster tonight

I know you are busy,so if sometime ,whenever,let me know what you think.I have another idea.seems a lot of players here like stats.like the BK ratings,position & most active player.I would be curious to here from users here these stats might be of interest to add beside "most active player":
longest game(most moves in a game)
shortest game(least moves in a game)
most backgammons by a player
most gammons by a player

if those variations are known before
I have the choice which I prefer to join.
as stated, here the move is legal. we even
have 3 legal names for the same game ...
you don't have to convince me though,
for me, software-dice are illegal ... :D ~*~

...ty harley for the positive feedback.multi-player games = interesting strategy & socially fun.I do hope we see some here.

That's great. But go and be "happy happy happy" on the General Chat board rather than on a site related board :))

You say the system is unfair to the lower rated player, But if you were indeed rewarded for winning 2 out of the 5 games then this would be unfair to the higher rated player as this could mean that even though the higher rated player has won the match they could take a drop in their rating.
The BKR state that a winning players rating will not drop.
I think the easiest solution would be to play only single games or alternativley, Make sure you win the match..
:D

I just thought I tell everyone I was Happy today.
The weathers great and so am I,Happy Happy Happy :)

You.."suggest keeping both variations.." but in fact, it is not a variation. It is an ILLEGAL move that needs to be corrected. I'm sure chess and checkers players etc. would not be happy if their opponents could have 'variations' in rules which allowed them to do something illegal.

i have a ctrl key on left of my spacebar, but nothing happens when i click it, but then again , i don't know what's supposed to happen. LOL..

Sure....I can select more than one item on a list using my WebTV but not at the same time. I have to make my selection/s one at a time....time consuming but that's how it goes!

I have, on this keyboard, a ctrl key on both sides of the spacer bar which is the elongated key on the bottom of your keyboard.

i can very seldom see my online opponents or who is on line. everything is fine, except that. the site is fast. i don't knpw what you mean by the ctrl key.

CleverHunk... multi reversi games?! that would be interesting, it would be difficult not to be completely wiped out with four players though. There would have to be a few changes. If it would work it would be great to see!! And great fun to play!

I have just read the FAQ and I would like to suggest that this rule is somewhat unfair. For example if I was an 1800 and I was playing a 2000 and he best me 3-2 in a 3 pointer, my rating would not be affected by the fact that I aactually managed to take two points off him. This is somewhat unfair, especially since FIDE factor in the results of all games, even where they are part of sets such as the last FIDE World Championship.

Perhaps this could be changed so that each subgame is counted for your rating or maybe there could be a facility where you choose whether the results of sub-games or the overall score will be used in rating calculations.

Counting subgames would be better for lower rated players as they would be rewarded for all of their play against high graded players. Otherwise, there is little point in anyone playing a series game against anyone who is 200pts above them or more as there is little chance of them winning overall.

I've got a question for WebTV users - are you able to select more then one item of a list? It is possible with "normal" web browser by holding down the CTRL key but I'm not sure about other devices.

It is described at the FAQ page.

that only the overall score ie, wheter I win or lose the match overall will be used for ratings calculation? Or does each match from part of the calculation itself.

Also, if the answer is that only the overall socre counts, wouldn't it just be wiser for players to play individual games first to build up a rating and then longer series?

In OTB chess each game is factored in individially to the ratings.

Right.

Does that mean it doesn't count for ratings until then?