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17. Ianuarie 2011, 18:42:48
Übergeek 바둑이 
Subiectul: Immigration
> "Come here? ADAPT!. Don't like it? LEAVE!"

People always forget what the origins of modern immigration policies in English-speaking countries are.

It used to be that places like Europe, The USA, Canada, Japan, etc. enjoyed a relatively steady population growth because people used to have 4 or 5 children per family. Then as people became more educated, they decided that having 1 or 2 children was enough. As the birth rate dropped, economic growth started to slow down and a young labour force was needed to maintain economic growth and sustain an aging population. In some countries things became such that they actually started experiencing negative population growth, meaning that less people were born than the number of those who died.

Immigration became an economic necessity to provide a steady source of low priced labour. Places like Canada, the USA, Australia and Western Europe accept millions of immigrants each year. Most of those immigrants end up doing work for wages below what the local population would accept. It is the economic reality of those who immigrate out of economic need.

Of course, all those people come with their own culture and language. The local population want the immigrants to learn the language and integrate. If immigrants arrive as young kids, they will learn the language easily and integrate readily into their new country. If immigrants come as adults, the story is different. Having to work, raise a family, and meet daily lives responsibilities is not conducive to easily learning a new language.

The people who scream "Adapt" are usually those who were never immigrants themselves and who do not realize that for an adult to learn a new language is no piece of cake. Neither is it easy for an adult to abandon customs and religion. To put it into perspective: "Would the average western woman be willing to live in the way that women live in some Islamic countries in Asia and Africa?" Of course, western culture is "superior", so it is the others who should adapt.

In reality, there is a "simple" solution to all this. Australians (or whoever) don't have to put up with immigrants. All that they have to do is have women quit their jobs, stay home and raise families with 5 or 6 kids. That is what their grandparents' generation did, and they did not always need to bring all those immigrants who refuse to abandon their religions. believes, customs and languages. I wonder if the same politicians who have the "guts" to yell at immigrants would also have the guts to yell at women for not quitting their jobs and staying home to raise more kids?

17. Ianuarie 2011, 19:50:05
rod03801 
Subiectul: Re: Immigration
Übergeek 바둑이: So? people learned the language and culture eventually, didn't they?

If you cater to everyone like all the "politically correct" people want to do, there is no reason for them to work to adapt. They can just go on and on like they did where they came from. Plus now they expect to be taken care of too! It wasn't like that 100 years ago!

No thanks.

17. Ianuarie 2011, 20:02:15
Mort 
Subiectul: Re: It wasn't like that 100 years ago!
rod03801: That's when the likes of the legal age for sex was 13.. Children were treated as cheap labour and the such. A grand old time of kids dying up chimneys!!

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