Vikings: So your are saying that thanks to the banking crash, various bank frauds and various other white collar crime our countries are screwed up?

Lets not forget, this is a problem that is world wide thanks to the financial institutions. With various banks needing help, or going bust....

.. Over here, the Iceland banks going belly up cost various authorities authorities here millions from lost investments.

.. Shall we blame it all on Obama? Isn't that getting a little cliché?

(V): Vikings said something about blaming Obama for Iceland's bank problems ? ?? Seems to me, he was talking about U.S. unemployment. Gets a little dizzy....

rod03801: We live in a global economy Rod. One of our banks that the tax payer had to bail out... if it failed.. You'd be feeling the knock on effect as the whole financial system would have collapsed worldwide.

It's called per-spec-tive. Noting that most of your countries depend on their ability to sell on a global market.

(V): It's not even worth having a discussion with you. You twist twist twist to the point that looks ridiculous.

You suggested Vikings was blaming Obama for Iceland bank failures. Not even close to what he typed AT ALL.

rod03801: "It's not even worth having a discussion with you."

Half the time it looks like he is tossing words willy nilly out onto the page... and it's supposed to be our responsibilty to make sense of it. I'm not so good at guessing games, that's why I've given up talking to him.

rod03801: I've tried to tell him the same thing but he can't see it. We say he twists things and he says he doesn't. It is proof that he's clueless on the issues. He can't stay on point and address an argument on it's merits. He has to bring in unrelated points because his arguments can't stand on their own two feet.

The libs are good at this (or bad if you want to be accurate). Instead of talking about abortion and addressing the points being made, they bring in talk about the morality of war. Ignorance runs rampant in liberal thinking.

Artful Dodger: That's a strawman argument.

The cons are good at this (or bad if you want to be accurate). Instead of talking about the points being made, they bring in talk about the morality of religion. Ignorance runs rampant in con thinking.

rod03801: Not even close to what I was saying... Not even close to what I typed AT ALL.

(V): the truth
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/president-obamas-job-creation-problem--in-one-chart/2012/08/02/gJQA58tsRX_blog.html

Vikings: in this comment made underneath..

This graph is a very false and misleading way of looking at the improvement under President Obama, and for more reasons than the fact that the biggest gainer on the list, Reagan , had 8 years and a congress more than happy to do the deficit spending--i.e. "stimulus"-- needed to recover, and other reasons that you attempt to "yes" away. This graph disengenuously manipulates the data to Hide the "yes" fact that the Bush Era Jobs Trough Recession was losing us jobs at maximum pace when Obama took office. That massive loss momentum was then turned around under Obama, from losses of 600,000-800,000 a month to GAINS of jobs within one year. For accurate graphs that show the recovery, see the BLS charts below.

160,000 jobs added in a month this month are more than were added in 23 of 24 of Bush2's last 24 months in office from Feb07 to Jan09 (and 14 of those Bush months were jobs loss months).

Total Number Employed (nonfarm) has risen for 22 straight months now (that's 22 months of jobs gains, and 25 months gaining out of the last 29), and is up over 4million since the bottom of the Bush Era Recession Job Trough in late 2009-early2010.

Look carefully at not just the numbers but the graphs at these BLS links to get a visual clue of how Obama's record is one of recovery from one of the the worst jobs recessions in history-- he and the 2009 Congress were handed an economy losing 600,000 to 800,000 jobs a month and in one year had it reversed to gaining jobs, with the AR&R Act of 2009 (Feb09) being an important part of that recovery (and ZERO Republicans in the House voted for it... zero).

http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=CE_cesbref1

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mthSee Less