Please note that I have changed this board back so that everyone can post and pawns do not need to be approved.

Marfitalu: Try these links ...
http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=34&ngi=6091
http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=34&ngi=6223
http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=34&ngi=7541
http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=34&ngi=187157

I put "piece values" into the search box and this is the best of what was found ... if you read them then you will see that each fits into a general discussion going on at the time which may be of interest too. You will find that this will nearly all relate to Gothic Chess and you should be aware that the person "Grim Reaper" is the inventor of said variant and his RL name is Ed.

Hope this helps

Cheers

WQ :)

Marfitalu: If you read back through the archives of this board you will also find a great deal of discussion on this matter in relation to "Gothic Chess" a similar variant no longer played on this site.

Marfitalu: An approximate value that I always liked to use was 9 for the queen 8.25 for the Marshall 7 for the Cardinal 5 for the Rook 3.25 for the bishop and 2.75 for a Knight. These weren't mathematically calculated values, but just what I felt from the 20 odd games I played on the mindsports site when they ran their cyber world championship events. Also in Grand Chess you might keep in mind that the above values might be modified somewhat since the pawns might be worth a little more in that game since they can queen faster. Maybe a premium of 1.15.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the nimble Cardinal probably outshines the Marshall at the beginning of this game, even though the latter is theoretically the stronger piece.

http://www.gothicchesslive.com/javascript/game.php?gameid=1442

whew, my opponent and I both played "decent" Gothic Chess in this game but it didn't amount to much when I made a severe blunder on my 22nd move. The position was arguably won by me until I blundered (but in Gothic that doesn't mean a whole lot, the "technical win" is difficult to judge). Irregardless of the negative result I enjoyed the game immensely and had alot of fun playing it.

To where http://www.gothicchess.de has recently moved? Who knows about the things behind? http://www.gothicchess.co.uk/ also is dead. Is there a virus badly infecting GC related page hosters?

Walter Montego: Good mate!

http://brainking.com/en/ArchivedGame?g=1555352

Kind of neat. It was a fairly equal game with unequal pieces until this came up.

Another interesting final attack, but on a 10x10 board:
http://brainking.com/en/ArchivedGame?g=1511000

Walter Montego: Yes, Walter...I think that after Card-f7 there was no way to scape.

JinkyOng: The Chess variants website has a lot of information about Capablanca's Chess. Apparently he made four or five versions of it on different sized boards with various rules. Even the Marshall and Cardinal have had different names. They have a photograph section of some sets too. Here's the link:
http://www.chessvariants.org/large.dir/capablanca.html

After the description of Capablanca Chess there's related links and games. They have a 10 × 10 set up and a 10 × 8 set up that can be played. I think Grand Chess is a better game than the 10 × 10 Capablanca Chess and it uses the same pieces. I like the 10 × 8 version of Embassy Chess the best so far of the games that stay closer to regular Chess.

It turns out that 100 square Gothic Chess was written about in a letter by Capablanca to someone in 1935, according to Edward Winter. He was still calling the Chancellor the Marshall and the Archbishop the Chancellor back then. This board was set up exactly like Gothic Chess only it was 10x10 in dimension and not 10x8. Capablanca said he did not like the 10x8 version since "the Bishops strike through to the Rooks". So it looks like he examined but rejected Gothic Chess. Does this mean it cannot be patented? I think 10x10 Gothic could be played here anyway.

tenuki: After he moved his Cardinal in move 17 to F7 was it all over for him, or did he have a way out of it? Before or after that move? I tried a few things after the move and it looks like you had the game sewn up with the Cardinal moved to F7.

About 2 days ago all were requested to end the speculation on who JinkyOng is ... so far as we are all concerned (and this also applies to the person himself) he is just another cyber entity ... here he is NOT Bobby Fischer, he is NOT Tom Cruise and he is NOT Ed Trice (was going to add another but thought better of it).

If people wish to give out personal information that is their perogative ... and if they wish to categorically state that they are a particular person and prove it then so be it, but continued allusion or speculation with be dealt with with the editor's (and co-editor's) pen(s).

Thank you for now bringing this back to being discussions about 10 x 8 chess variants.

WhisperzQ

JinkyOng: ****.

[Post deleted by WQ but marker retained for posterity.]

Thankyou.

JinkyOng: I don't know, who you are. I am someone of actually few, who still are respecting R.J.Fischer. As an example I wrote a book on FRC in my German language, promoting his ideas. Who ever you might be, acting like a stealth bomber, you will have to live with being misunderstood.

Don't tell me why I came up with the game then talk about me in the 3rd person. Anyone who talks about me in this way will be ignored, starting with you.

Are you still talking about the Marble Roll Contest, MRC? What is the whole peekaboo good for? And why starting an 8x8 discussion in a 10x8 variant forum? Is that a promising way to find a real strong blitz opponent in a 10x8 slow chess department? Nothing but humbug!

JinkyOng: Being able to beat him at his own game just proves that he's not the best player of it and that you can play it better than him. It doens't confirm or deny who you might be. I told Ed a long time ago that as soon as someone really good learned to play these games he wouldn't be the top player. He also has a tremendous advantage over most people at his game. The long lead time of playing it and studying it. His skills at computer programming and understanding the value of the pieces on the larger board. His familiarity with the icons used here. His motivation for winning. Playing it and defeating him playing it speed style is something, but it doesn't prove that you could beat him playing turn based or over the board in a slower paced game. Does his site have longer time controls? He can still play here, but his game isn't on this site any more. Embassy Chess or Capablanca Chess would be the same game, but he would lose his advantage in the opening playing those games. He used to brag about how well he'd studied the openings of his game. I think this is one of the reasons Fischer came up with his random Chess set up, to curtail the book players from winning the game in the opening.

MRC to me = FRC to everyone else of course. My offer was to play 'FRC' on ICC giving odds of 10 to 2 for anyone who was doubting who I am. The doubts are posted to this board, so I'm answering them on this board. Other ICC games of mine have been posted elsewhere on here, and I already crushed someone in FRC here at super slow time controls. I beat your 'unbeatable' player on here at his own 10x8 game, many times. Who the hell else could I be?? Look moderators, not 1 curse word or religious reference or conspiracy claim. No just spare me from the weakies who reply with their own crazy accusations.

bengood24: You might be right, but I want it clarified. And it doesn't awswer the other questions seeing how this is a turned based site to begin with. One should say what is meant, or explain what they are saying if they're not going to use the standard or accepted terminology. Whether or not JinkyOng is Bobby Fischer has nothing to do the name of the variant on this site or one that I'm familiar with. Fischer Random Chess is the name of a game that is on this site. My Random Chess is not. Also, there's no live play on this site for those time controls, so a location would be needed to play it. If there is such a location on the internet, two other things could have been done. Supplying the link to play and also posting at that location a desire to play someone with those time controls. Neither was done and now the offer to play has been withdrawn. What's the point?

And again, if it is Fischer Random Chess this is the wrong board to be posting to play that game and it belongs on the 8 × 8 Chess variants discussion board.

Walter Montego: He probably means Fischer Random, since he is pretending to be Fischer after all.

JinkyOng: I've never heard of that game. How does it go? Where is it played live? Do others play this game? I'm surprised someone good at it doesn't take you up on your bet.

MRC = My Random Chess. So far I've got no takers to the challenge so that's it, subject closed.

I´ve found an interesting combination in this game: http://brainking.com/en/ArchivedGame?g=1545891

Walter Montego:
Actually even if it is the wrong discussion group, I still think it is Fischer Random he is discussing. Because of the mainline servers it would be easier to set up a speed chess game than say on the Gothic website.

panzerschiff: This would be the wrong board for that and he's been playing Gothic Chess on the other site, so I was thinking of the other games that are offered here. I suppose we'll have to wait until he logs on again. It's either a typo or you might have it. On this site that game is on the 8 × 8 Chess variants discussion board and it called Fischer Random Chess or FRC.

Walter Montego:
Walter,
I think MRC is an abbreviation for My (Fischer) Random Chess. Play could be arranged on something like ICC (Internet Chess Club) or any other main-line classical chess server that offers Random chess.

10-2 would be a fair time limit as Grandmasters will play even strong amateurs at 5-1 in classical chess with live pieces and a clock. Taking into account how good you are at mouse clicking as well as fun things like fighting bifocals, 10-2 may be more reasonable and equivalent way to give such odds on a computer.

I like speed chess and generally think I can play quicker with the real pieces, however even a reasonably respectable amateur like myself (I was a 2300 rated player) would go down to Fischer in practically every game if not every game even at these odds!

JinkyOng: MRC? Is this MBC or CRC? I play MBC, also known as Embassy Chess on this site. I only know of one other place that has it, but they haven't set it up as a way to play it live either (Chess Variants site). Same thing with CRC- Capablanca Random Chess except I don't play that version. Where would we play this game? Would I have a chance having eight extra minutes to think? You'd have to move blazingly fast at the beginning of the game. You probably live too far from me to just drive over and play a couple games. :)

I'll offer time odds of 10 minutes to 2 minutes of MRC to anyone on this site provided the losers post the games here. Contact me privately if you accept.

Sorry guys (and gals) ... further speculation on who JinkyOng is can go elsewhere ... I think a few have asked, some have answers and some are not convinced. Whoever he is, we welcome him here. If he chooses to make insightful observations or useful instruction we should just count our blessings for the wisdom imparted, just the same as if it came for anyone ... we are all capable of brilliance, just some of us achieve it more (or less) often than others.

Cheers WQ :)

Walter Montego: Walter, the current speculation seems to be to regard "Jinky Ong" to be Bobby Fischer. In opposite to that I tried to stop that speculation, giving hints, why I cannot agree with that presumption.

SMIRF Engine: You too are just speculating. It seems everyone has their own view of what they interpret of the "facts". After the deal with Bumble, I thought those of us that where around then would know better and not get it going again in a similiar situation. As it really makes little difference as to who each of us really are we might as well talk about 10 × 8 Chess variants or related subjects. The personalities themselves can be interesting, but I would rather not have this board used for advancing one's agenda unless it is for the Chess variants listed.

JinkyOng has posted on Ed's site about the games being made available for public viewing. Ed has responded that he will show them as given permission to do so. I wish Ed would have kept the graphics the same as they were on this site, but I'll get used to them if I want to follow the games as played over there. I suppose one of these days I'll get a 10 × 8 board and a Chess set for it and be able to actually look at them instead of the icons on the screen.

Walter Montego: Actually I regard "Jinky Ong" to be a parallel identity of someone well known. If it would be someone else than Fischer, who would benefit from such a speculative discussion?

If it would be Bobby Fischer, he would be intelligent enough to hide any associations between that artificial person and himself. But here there are too many obvious 'evidences':

a) Jinky Ong locates himself at Island;
b) his pseudonym could directly be related to R.J.Fischer;
c) he is imitating parts of Fischer's behaviour and vocabulary;
d) he is declaring to be the GothicChess No. One, defeating 'weaky' Ed Trice.

If I had to decide, who would act like that - Fischer or Trice - I rather would chose Ed.

JinkyOng: If you don't care, then I don't care. I've had enough messages about the speculation of it. You can beat Ed at Gothic Chess and even say it wasn't that hard for you, then you're obviously a lot better of a player than I am. Though speed Gothic Chess is not something I've ever played, I doubt if I'd have much of a chance against either one of you.

Perhaps we can talk about 10 × 8 Chess variants? Are you new to playing them? I've only been playing them for about two years now. I told Ed a long time ago that someday good Chess players would learn these games and then it'd be a whole different deal. We have had lots of debate about the use of machines and programs too. It seems that regular Chess is just about mastered by them and these larger boards still give us players a chance. From what I've seen it will just be a matter of time before that's not true.

Believe, or don't believe, I just don't give a (self sensored).

HalfPawn: How are we supposed to know??

Caissus: That game can be viewed on Gothicchesslive now.

Caissus:
Yes, I would agree, I have two Gothic sets now and use those interchangably whether I am analysing Gothic, Embassy, Janus or Grand Chess games. The collector in me thought it would be kind of cool to have an actual Janus chess set designed as such. I also have Grand Chess pieces, and although they are a nice smaller wood set, it is nice to have the larger pieces that Ed produces for analysis or actual play.

panzerschiff: It`s a pity, but I received a message that no Januschessets are available, because their is a license problem too in Germany.
It looks that I have got the last real Januschesspieces. Pics are on my page.
Meanwhile I have received a Gothicchesset from Ed Trice (10x8 board and pieces) and I must say it is very nice and I would recommend to use it for all 10x8 variants.

Caissus:
Thanks for the address, I should have looked at your profile first since I think I had visited your site briefly before using the link in the profile when we were playing our embassy chess games. Again a nice assortment of games and a fascinating ending with the Janus and pawns against the two rooks with Ed Trice. The rest of the game had nice tactical turns and twists as well. Looks like you had a good chance to revenge the defeat in the other game when it was broken off.

By the way did you ever have any luck finding out whether that Janus chess set was still available for sale in Germany?

Caissus: To your Smirf link I suggest, that it probably should better address to http://www.chessbox.de/Compu/schachsmirf.html now.

panzerschiff: Try http://www.spezialschach.de/

You can find it also in my profile.

Caissus:
Thanks for the link and it was also interesting to see your other games. How do you get to the rest of your website? When I tried www.caissus.gmxhome.de I received an error message. Nice to be told to have fun on the Internet in German along with the error message. :-)

Here is an additional link to replay the game:

http://caissus.gmxhome.de/Partieen/gothicgames.htm

Caissus: No, it's not true. That person was only banned from all public boards because he never wanted to understand how to behave here. He could finish his games with no problems. It's not my fault he timeouted because of a fear of a loss. Some people are simply too paranoid to cope with it.

Pythagoras: In any case "Jinky Ong" is by no means a randomly chosen name.

P.S.: 'Jinky Ong' is the name of a Philippine girl, who had been supposed to be Robert J. Fischer's daugther, which has been reported as denied by her mother.

JinkyOng:
Just a straight question:
You pretend to be or you are actually Robert Fischer?

Calling someone a weakie(a well known characteristic of the great R.Fischer that called his weaker opponents that way) and having this hyper-secrecy along with suspicions about everything (another known characteristic of the great R.Fischer) and responding with that way in my private message, means that either you are the legend or you are a great actor.....

I wonder which is true?!?!?