Usurper: Hi Greg :-) How are you? Have any prayer request?

Radiant Aunt: Hi Josetta

Ok, ask away.. there that is :)

Hello Jules and Usurper :-)

Nice discussion and I also have questions for Jules, but I suggest we continue our debate at the Debate club!! Thank you :-)

God bless you,
~*Josetta*~

Usurper: Ok, but that wasn't part of what I was refering to.

Plus why indefinite? Is it that the person can control the flesh like Christ did, whereas Death, disease has no effect on their body and they can choose the moment they cross over?

(Concordant Version)
21 And making is Yahweh Elohim for Adam and for his wife tunics of skin, and is clothing them.
22 And saying is Yahweh Elohim, "Behold! The human becomes as one of us, knowing good and evil. And now, lest he stretch forth his hand, moreover, and take of the tree of the living, and eat and live for the eon--!"

"Forever" is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word which means "eon", an indefinite period of time with beginning & end. There is no Hebrew or Greek equivalent to "forever" in the original.

Radiant Aunt: Chapter 3

Radiant Aunt: NIV

Jules: Which Bible are you quoting?

Grampa AD: Afetr all, is says quite plainly in Genesis that only through knowing good and evil could we become like God. ;)

"21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.""

Jules: ;)

It was said of Abba Helladius that he spent twenty years in the Cells, without
ever raising his eyes to see the roof of the church.

(Abba Epiphanius) added, 'A man who receives something from another because of
his poverty or his need has therein his reward, and because he is ashamed,
when he repays it he does so in secret. But it is the opposite for the Lord
God; he receives in secret, but he repays in the presence of the angels, the
archangels and the righteous.'

It was said concerning Abba Agathon that some monks came to find him having
heard tell of his great discernment. Wanting to see if he would lose his
temper they said to him 'Aren't you that Agathon who is said to be a
fornicator and a proud man?' 'Yes, it is very true,' he answered. They
resumed, 'Arn't you that Agothon who is always talking nonsense?' 'I am."
Again they said 'Aren't you Agothon the heretic?' But at that he replied 'I am
not a heretic.' So they asked him, 'Tell us why you accepted everything we
cast you, but repudiated this last insult.' He replied 'The first accusations
I take to myself for that is good for my soul. But heresy is separation from
God. Now I have no with to be separated from God.' At this saying they were
astonished at his discernment and returned, edified.

(Abba Evagrius) said; 'Take away temptations and no one will be saved.'

From the Sayings of the Desert Fathers

Grampa AD: Gotta love those desert fathers.

;)

Jules: how Eastern of you ;)

Horseman: That would be hard, If I defined my teacher I would be making my teacher less by that definition. Best I can do is...

Glory be to the one that leads.
Glory be to the one that is the same.
Glory be to that which lives in us all.
Glory be to the light that shines.
Glory be to the spirit shining in the air.
Glory be to the sound of your wisdom, love and joy that you show.
Glory be to your message "I am proud of you my Children"

Jules: longchempa=happy desire pope?
ship desire pope? ship envy pope?

come on...define yer teacher's name...:)

Step into the Sunlight
Feel the pain wash away
Enter in the Soul-light
Just BE in today.

Forget all emotion
Put your trust in the day
Let the past rush on by you
Put your Self in THE WAY.

one & infinite - lynne milum - universal light

Religions are different roads converging upon the same point.

What does it matter that we take different roads
so long as we reach the same goal.

mahatma gandhi

Corporation: thank you.. surely will pray for a good and God-centered Pope!

and in this same spirit, here's a devotional:

Ready for Harvest
by John Fischer

One of the most encouraging things I have observed in the days since the death of Pope John Paul II has been the overwhelming turnout in Rome, and the outpouring of emotion worldwide, among youth. Popes in my lifetime have had a tendency to represent everything ancient, traditional and irrelevant about the church — the farthest thing from being a champion of the young. But John Paul was different. In Time magazine this is represented by a picture that captured three college-aged women in the crowd at the Vatican, caught with tears of emotion on their faces at the official announcement of the pope’s death. These were not rock star tears. It’s obvious that something is touching them at a very deep level.

Some of this, I’m sure, can be attributed to the man. He had a warmth and authenticity about his character that young people were especially drawn to. If anybody can spot a phony, it’s a teenager, and teenagers around the world sensed something real in this man. But I’m sure a large part of this youthful interest is also an indication of the general spiritual hunger residing in the next generation, some of which has been directed towards the pope merely because of the spiritual office he held.

Something is afoot. I haven’t seen this kind of youthful reaction to Christ and spirituality in general since the Jesus movement of the early 1970s. Evangelistic crusades are getting strong youthful support. Christian colleges are turning away students. Films that carry spiritual themes are getting big support at the box office. The Irish rock band, U2, sells out a tour these days in a matter of hours, and this, at a time when lead singer Bono has been most vocal about his faith. It’s no secret anymore that a U2 concert is a worship experience, and this has only enhanced the group’s appeal.

In 1993, on World Youth Day in Denver Colorado, the pope addressed thousands of young people who had gathered from all over the world to hear him. "Christ is knocking very hard at many hearts, looking for people like you to send out into the vineyard where an abundant harvest is ready," he said.

A dozen years later, that harvest is still ready, and it’s not only up to the young to respond. Their response helps authenticate the movement, but it’s up to all of us to take advantage of the moment and fulfill our mission to tell people about the reality of Christ in our lives.

Wake up and look around. The fields are already ripe for harvest… I sent you to harvest where you didn’t plant; others have already done the work, and now you will get to gather the harvest. (John 4:35, 38)


John Fischer is the Senior Writer for Purpose Driven Life Daily Devotionals. He resides in Southern California with his wife, Marti and son, Chandler. They also have two adult children, Christopher and Anne. John is a published author and popular speaker.




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to be led by the Holy Spirit and elect a Godly, prayerful leader. One who will oppose abortion, same sex marriage, and who will preach a return to the scriptures.

Radiant Aunt:

Grampa AD: Good to see & to hear from you, AD :-) Have a good & total recovery!!

:) I'm back. They put in a stent. Now we just have to see if the chest pains go away. :)

thanks for thinking of me.

ScarletRose: I told AD that i had something like that done myself and that it was an easy procedure, and not to worry :) But i do hope he will be ok :)

My thoughts and prayers will be with AD and his family!!

AD went in for an angioplasty today, and I would like to send out my prayers for a happy ending for the results.. I don't exactly know what all is involved with this procedure.. but, I do know he has been having problems with his heart.. Hopefully he will regain strength .. and the results will be to his benefit.. :)

I'm thinking of you AD.. please recover soon! and get some rest!

Prayers for the 7 servicemen and 2 servicewomen (Australian Defence Force)killed in the helicopter crash on Saturday whilst attempting to land on one of the Indonesian islands affected by the earthquake. The helicopter was bringing in much needed supplies to the island.
Prayers also for their family, friends and colleagues of these service people.

This has been sent to friends, i thought to share it.

http://www.writingsbyskyangel.com/john_paul/john_paul.html

O Breathing Life, your Name shines everywhere!
Release a space to plant your Presence here.
Envision your "I Can" now.
Embody your desire in every light and form.
Grow through us this moment's bread and wisdom.
Untie the knots of failure binding us,
as we release the strands we hold of others' faults.
Help us not forget our Source,
Yet free us from not being in the Present.
From you arises every Vision, Power and Song
from gathering to gathering.
Amen -
May our future actions grow from here!

the lord's prayer - from the original aramaic

Assailed by afflictions, we discover Dharma
And find the way to liberation. Thankyou, evil forces!

When sorrows invade the mind, we discover Dharma
And find lasting happiness. Thankyou, sorrows!

Through harm caused by spirits we discover Dharma
And find fearlessness. Thankyou, ghosts and demons!

Through people's hate we discover Dharma
And find benefits and happiness. Thankyou, those who hate us!

Through cruel adversity, we discover Dharma
And find the unchanging way. Thankyou, adversity!

Through being impelled to by others, we discover Dharma
And find the essential meaning. Thankyou, all who drive us on!

We dedicate our merit to you all, to repay your kindness.

words of my perfect teacher - gyalwa longchenpa

May the Lord our God be with Pope John Paul II in his rest. And may the Cardinals choose his sucessor wisely. The Pope was a good man, and a devout servant of God. Let Our Lord watch over his flock in his absence.

and my prayers go out to the millions of believers who loved this Pope during the 26th years of his reign over the Catholic Church and all the other admirors of him during the time Karol Jozef Wojtyla reigned as Pope John II. I heard on a CNN report that the Pope wanted us not to be sad, but to rejoice...

2 Corinthians 12:7-10

To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. Three times I pleaded the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me. "My Grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefor I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Pope John Paul II 1920~2005

My prayers go out to Pope John Paul II whose condition was "very grave" after he suffered cardiocirculatory collapse and septic shock.. quoted from a Vatican spokesman today.

May the Lord touch him with His healing hand and speak Truth and comfort to his loved ones and his followers around the world.

Vatican: Pope's condition 'very grave'

Praying that all those who loved Terri may be comforted by Gods Love and Faithfulness - In Jesus' Name - AMEN

Copyright: Brian Doerksen

This song is the end of a long journey for me. I have longed to see how we can incorporate more 'laments' in our modern worship experience for years, but writing a lament that congregations can sing together, seems to be much tougher than writing songs of joy!! In my opinion, there are so many reasons we need more laments in our corporate worship. The Psalms are full of them and Gods people have sung them for several millennia!! Today, real people need a safe place to express their pain and grief, and still know they are accepted and loved by God and His people! For the broken-hearted and those who are grieving, singing only 'happy songs' can leave them on the outside looking on. I have included this song to this project for allos us who are going through tough times, yet still we want to come and worship because there is no other place where we can find true comfort. Like the Psalms, our laments can honestly express our pain and our questions, and can still have an expression of hope as well. In Psalm 13, the word "but" looms large! Its maybe the hinge word of the Psalm and our song. This is who we are; this how we feel, but , in light of all that, I will still trust in You O God.


Psalm 13 (How long O Lord)

How long oh Lord will You forget me
How long oh Lord
Will You look the other way

How long oh Lord
Must I wrestle with my thoughts
And every day
Have such sorrow in my heart

Look on me and answer
Oh God my Father
Bring light to my darkness
Before they see me fall

But I trust in Your unfailing love
Yes my heart will rejoice
Still I sing of Your unfailing love
You have been good
You will be good to me

Pbarb2: Aww, thank you for posting about Terri.. God bless her and give her peace. She is with Jesus now.. I pray for her parents and all her loved ones.. In Yahweh's Son's Precious Name - AMEN

TONPA LA MED SANG GYAY RINPOCHE
KYOBPA LA MED DAM CHHO RINPOCHE
DRENPA LA MED GEDUN RINPOCHE
KYAB NAY KON CHHOK SUM LA CHHOD PA BUL


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To the precious Buddha, unsurpassable Teacher,
to the precious Dharma, unsurpassable Refuge,
to the precious Sangha, unsurpassable Guide,
to the three Jewels, the sources of Refuge, I make this Offering.

tibetan buddhist - mealtime prayer

http://www.worldprayers.org/

PLease pray for the husband and family of Terri. She passed away a few hours ago. Whether right or wrong prayers are in need now for Terri's husband and her family. God BLess
BARB

This ritual is One.
The food is One.
We who offer the food are One.
The fire of hunger is also One.
All action is One.
We who understand this are One.

traditional hindu blessing

http://www.worldprayers.org/

Send Thy peace O Lord, which is
perfect and everlasting,
that our souls may radiate peace.

Send Thy peace O Lord, that we
may think, act and speak harmoniously.

Send Thy peace O Lord, that we
may be contented and thankful for
Thy bountiful gifts.

Send Thy peace O Lord, that amidst
our worldly strife, we may enjoy Thy bliss.

Send Thy peace O Lord, that we
may endure all, tolerate all, in the thought of
Thy grace and mercy.

Send Thy peace O Lord, that our lives
may become a Divine vision and in Thy light,
all darkness may vanish.

Send Thy peace O Lord, our Father and Mother,
that we Thy children on Earth may all
unite in one family.

prayer for peace - pir-o-murshid inayat khan - 1921 ±

http://www.worldprayers.org/

Bottom-Up Worshiper
by John Fischer

Christ is the visible image of the invisible God… He existed before anything else, and he holds all creation together. (Colossians 1:15 & 17)

Last week we noted the faith of Templeton Prize winner, Charles Townes. I’ve run into an additional source of praise and worship from yet another renowned physicist who believes in God. His name is Sir John Polkinghorne, and he has been honored for his remarkable achievements in mathematical physics by being appointed a Fellow of the Royal Society in England. He was part of the team that discovered the quark (the most fundamental particle of matter yet discovered). He has since left his post at Cambridge to study theology and serve as an Anglican priest. The title of one of his lectures is “The Faith of a Physicist: Reflections of a Bottom-Up Thinker.”

I love that title. It makes me think about a different angle on worship. Often when we think about worship, we think about something lofty. We think of God in the heavens, and how He reaches down to us here below. It’s definitely top-down worship. We look up to see Him; we lift our hands, trying to meet Him reaching down to us. We start with God and we remember how He has worked throughout history, and how He has invaded our lives with His love. That’s top-down worship. It starts with God and seeks how a belief in Him colors the decisions and details of our lives. This is definitely one aspect of worship but not the only one.

Worship is also bottom-up. We can start by observing our world, our lives, and our history and begin to find God’s hand in all this. This is what you would expect from a scientist. Scientists begin with observation at the most basic level. They start with particulars and try and build conclusions or theories based on those particulars. For a scientist to believe in God (especially one who helped discover the universe’s most fundamental elements) means he started by observing the universe from the ground up, and based on all the particulars he gathered, God become his final conclusion. There was no other way for him to correlate all the facts that have been gathered by all the scientists over all time.

I would like to encourage you to be bottom-up worshiper. Such a person would be finding God everywhere, not just waiting for church or the worship music to start. God makes sense of our everyday lives. Everything from ground up holds something about God and something that can point us to Him. It’s a matter of opening our eyes and realizing that when it comes to worship, class is always in session.


John Fischer is the Senior Writer for Purpose Driven Life Daily Devotionals. He resides in Southern California with his wife, Marti and son, Chandler. They also have two adult children, Christopher and Anne. John is a published author and popular speaker.

Pedro Martínez:It is also there. It is about the Templar Order's mythology.

note by whatdidyousay: edited to tone it down. This is the Thoughts and Prayers Board. The rules state above that this is not to be a place for discussion or arguments.

ANTICHRIST: shouldn't this be at the Music board?

Heimataerde
non nobis, domine, non nobis, sed nomine tuo da gloriam

Heimataerde and the forbidden being.

In the dead of night the wiedergänger sneaks out of his grave to give
eternal life and to create a new religion.

Under the protection of Heimataerde

Heimataerde promises shelter for the Wiedergänger and provides means for
his reincarnation. It is in the Heimataerde where he rests in the
daytime hours; it preserves him from decay and hides him from the
deceiving clarity of light. But his former templar comrades and the
Master Superior claim the Heimataerde too, and know of this weak spot of
the traitor.


The eternal fight for Heimataerde

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels,
but have not love,
I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
And if I have prophetic powers,
and understand all mysteries and all knowledge,
and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains,
but have not love,
I am nothing.

The Heimataerde is in the centre of the fight between good and evil.
Visions of power and light, without shade or mercy want to triumph over
mortal love and sin. Who can tell the right side, when the day of decision comes?

Ogopogo: we should take this to another board .. hehe.. we are getting lol

*wonders if he will be able to find me*

ScarletRose: geeeeeeeeeeeeee tanks

Ogopogo: Thank you honey.. and I am so sorry to hear about your father earlier today.. My prayers are with ya! *kissie~kiss*

Radiant 36 9:

Thank You Radiant :)

Ogopogo: My heart goes out to you! Prayers have been said for you and your loved ones. God bless,

~*Radiant*~