Chaos: got it, thanks for the help

Sir Lance-a-lot: Welcome at BrainKing Sir Lance-a-lot, good to see you here! :) The interface here at BrainKing is quite different and takes some time to get used to. Here they call Sabotage 'Espionage' and they have the same variants, except for the corner variant.

Chaos, this is Lance-a-lot. What's the difference in this website and the games on IYT? I'd like to play a game with anyone who's up for it?

Chaos:

jonaron and I have played a few times.

In League events, we played Open in Season 6 (I won) and Season 8 (a draw). We also played Mini in a Speed Rush event. I forget the event, but he won our individual game.

And, we have played in some random IYT tournies over the years with pretty even results.

Of course, as you so accurately put it, "careful when it matters" starts at Move 1 with jonaron so he gets a different version of my game that almost anyone else. :)

SL-Mark:

I don't know about 'worth studying', but to tie it back to another recent thread . . .if someone plays slow enough we are both a risk to time-out. In the past that was only an effective strategy against me (and sometimes against Jozsef). If it now works against jonaron it may catch on with more people. :)

Chaos: You are doing a fantastic job.

I was trying to shrewdly compliment you by suggesting that your approach was judicious and diplomatic, favoured traits of a moderator. Referring to our recent game and your ruthless annihilation of myself, I was hinting that there are also some sharp claws and teeth behind the ball of fur. I am sure however, that neither Eric nor myself, would have to face the Chaos Creature.

Although an attempt to create some light hearted banter, there is a serious note in Eric’s original posting, which is that both Jonaron’s and Quiet Man’s playing styles are worth studying.

Naturally we will support you.

happy hermit: So if you all get into fighting and screaming it's just a conspiracy to see how I react? ;)

happy hermit: Evidently as seriously as she takes her game of espionage, though she is not so diplomatic in her games, in fact quite ruthless as she recently demonstrated to me!

SL-Mark:

I was just testing how seriously Chaos was taking her new job here.

happy hermit: I believe you have just been judiciously "moderated" for your mischievousness

Chaos:

I'm not jonaron, I was just making a small joke about jonaron's increasing proclivity for timing-out. :)

SL-Mark:

At least it was something I could reply to . . . how can I reply to a comment about language skill from someone that's been so wronged by the language that he abuses it so? :)

happy hermit: I was throwing in one other into the equation and also to tease another ;)

SL-Mark: I think both are pretty good . . .it's just that the game gives one of them a headache. :)

no not the same person. Jonaron AKA ( Lightningbolt) his english is not as good as Quietmans. Jonaron is from canada and i think is French Canadian.

happy hermit: Yes, but one seems to be good at extinction chess the other not

jonaron and quiet man have extremely similar playing styles and both seem to time out a lot.

Has anyone considered that they might be the same person?

Nothingness: congrats & good luck in your new job!

I just got a new job this week and my time moving will be slowed ten fold! So please bear with me in this transitional period. Thanks.

No i never use saved setups. What i mean is that if for example i have my base in the right corner of a game that I'm losing badly. instead of just resigning immediately I'll wait or slow down until other games in that section are close to ending. so that an opponent that im in a closer game with doesn't logically deduce where i may have set my base in that game in comparison to the game i just lost!

I too also use set ups when I face specific players. A taylor made Setup for just that game and opponent. In those cases i save them setups. and ill name them after that opponent.

happy hermit: Once upon a time I tried to make set-ups especially designed for the specific opponent I was about to encounter. I would save the set-up so I could make a totally different one the next time I'd play this opponent. Ofcourse I didn't pursue this strategy, took too much time. Still with some opponents I make set-ups that feel odd to me and wouldn't use against others. They seem work in those cases. Ofcourse I'm not revealing the specifics :)

Nothingness: Do you use saved set-ups?

I remember seeing a game once between pcron and Ruth. pcron used a saved set-up and Ruth apparently determined which one and blew him right off the board attacking pieces she had never revealed. There seems to be more risk than reward in that approach.

On my end, I almost always start my games by setting the bombs/base on the back row, putting two Saboteurs on the back row, three Recons in the front row and then hitting 'randomly place remaining pieces'.

Do not forget that slowing down while losing has its strategic needs as to not reveal your set ups to the rest of the players in your bracket. So that they can get a feel for your set ups in that particular tourney.

Celticjim:

Jim-

The loss to nickchanger was interesting. I played the game with no notes and little thought, which is pretty much how I play anyone that hasn't won a game against me (or that I otherwise have reason to think might be a challenge), but that game had an extra twist.

I had given up a couple of pieces just to get to that position, but my intent was to clear around that back corner, bring in the Recon and determine the pieces even though I was 98% sure the base was in the corner. On the preceding move he sent the message 'good game' which I took as a concession that the base was in the corner, so I simply moved to capture it and save a few moves. That worked out poorly for me. :)

I'll go on record here as saying nickchanger will not win another game against me. :)

-Eric

Celticjim: Missed that one Jim.
Rushing your opponents so as to cause them to make a mistake

happy hermit: Eric,I had a look at your one loss the other day,that was interesting--nickchanger I think wasn't it who pulled a fast one on you,made me chuckle and applaud him cuz you are one tough nut to crack *edit*

SL-Mark: haha,great post Mark---very valid points one and all.
And of course my post was undoubtedly attempting to exert a psychological lever somewhere hehe

Celticjim: The smell of victory will bring fast moves; possible defeat long periods of thought; imminent defeat either fast moves or long periods to bore one’s opponent! The latter is a perfectly acceptable strategy, though not necessarily sporting.

One of the great things about this game is the element of psychology. I can’t think of any other online game, other than poker, where this manifests itself to such a degree.

Just like in poker, it pisses the hell out of everyone when you wait until the last second to make your bet. Then emotions come into play, followed by mistakes! And a mistake in poker costs...

Jim, a win today, next week, or next month is still a win. Don’t turn a certainty into an improbability!

Celticjim:

I haven't timed-out yet . . . . that's a mild surprise.

SL-Bosse:
so hows everyone getting on LOL-some surprises out there?
come on lets go,move people.See people on here all day long but they stopped moving *sigh* one thing that really puts me off

perhaps we can start playing for brains. if we play for a small amount this can help buy memberships for some of our pawn players.

Chaos:

Perhaps someone can make a Sabotage League group on one of the social networking sites if anyone is interested in pictures.

I remember the ranking discussions. :) I remember trying to figure out to explain to moonhippie that he really had no way of determining who was a stronger player between Jozsef and Limbaugh . . . all he knew was they could both beat him. I eventually gave up.

you're probably right

Celticjim: Name calling and arguing is not allowed on any public discussion board on Brainking. Perhaps you were on a fellowship discussion board?

it makes me think.....I've perused one or 2 other discussion boards and some of them seem to be full of kids arguing ,calling each other names and the like.It makes me wonder ,does sabotage/espionage attract an older player group?Seems to be that way at least from the pictures I remember from all the ones who sent their pictures in.Hey Chaos,you didn't happen to save those pictures did you?Or anyone else?Shame that MSN closed their groups section and that was lost.

SL-Mark: yes - its been super tough - you are all so rowdy! ill finally be able to relax now that chaos has taken over!

redfrog: Thank you for all your hard work moderating this board. Well done Chaos for volunteering! We will try to make it an easy job for you

redfrog: Thank you Redfrog and thank you for monitoring this board untill now :)

Chaos has agreed to moderate this discussion board! I am happy to see the activity here recently and am happy to see an active player step up to be the mod.

SL-Bosse:

Looks like a reasonable section breakdown and 25 players means, I assume, only two rounds.

After a small delay Sabotage Leauge - Open Fast Espionage - # 1 has started. One player hadn't enough of space for the tournament so it ends up with 25 players in 5 groups. Thanks to every one who signed up in the tournament and GOOD LUCK!!! 

As of this post we have 26 players. right now it seems as if there will be around 6 sections of 4+ players which is very nice. unless we get 4 more players (30).

Tenuki and ouna you may be able to convince!

Styleone: Some other noteworthy exceptions, such as yourself, Sandoz, dAGGER, The Other Me, Tian Xian. Sadly all pawns and tied up in the Small Fast tournament.