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<< < 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 > >> 23. Января 2009, 06:07:03 Субъект: Re:  Bernice: Obama has some good ideas on foreign relations but he will soon find out that the Islamic terrorists are a different breed and death to them is the ultimate way to serve their god. They want what they want and if they don't get it, they will kill others. Then when they get what they want, they will settle on their next target. They want world domination ultimately. And killing everyone that stands in their way tops their list of things to do. I hope Obama can deal with them effectively but I suspect that nothing will work in the long run. When in the history of the world has the world ever been at peace? 23. Января 2009, 06:25:09 Субъект: Re:  Artful Dodger: agreed on the They want what they want and if they don't get it, they will kill others, and peace in the world??, never has been and probably never will be. 23. Января 2009, 06:41:54 Субъект: Re: Bernice: Most of us will live in peace (your country for example) because we see great value in it. And many see the value in helping other nations that aren't as fortunate as ours. Bush, love him or hate him, has done more for Africa than any other individual human being, living or dead. I like the thing Obama has said so far. And for the most part, he's gotten right to work and kept up with his promises during the campaign. I don't doubt that he will continue that trend. But reality has a way of altering our priorities and only time will tell what the next 100 days will reveal. The direction of the Obama administration will be seen more clearly by then. For example, Obama is closing Gitmo. But so far, he has no plan other than saying he will close it. His administration will "study" the logistics of closing the facility and look at available options and create a plan from there. So if one wanted to be picky, he's made a decision to close Gitmo with no plan in place of how that closing will proceed and no plan on what to do with all the inmates. I agree with on conservative commentator who said put them all in Florida, right next to some of those hollywood hotshots that kept calling for Gitmos close. I say open a new facility right in their neighborhood. Then they can put on benefit concerts for them. Do people really think that putting terrorists into the general population is a good idea? How long will it take before a couple of big burly inmates knock off a few of them former Gitmo inmates?  23. Января 2009, 14:59:27 Субъект: Re: Artful Dodger: Do people really think that putting terrorists into the general population is a good idea? I dont think that is ever going to happen.... But what is going to happen is a good question? If they are brought into this country, from what I hear, they will suddenly gain all the rights that every citizen has? That means a trial, and from what I have heard again, it seems like we do not have much in the way of actual courtroom type evidence against most of them.... so they end up just being released and exported???? 23. Января 2009, 17:55:04 Субъект: Re: Czuch: I know that there have been some terrorists released and they went back to their terrorist activities and killed Americans. I'll see if I can find any specifics on that. This idea of a trial by civil court is terribly misguided. They were caputured on the battlefield, good enough for me. 23. Января 2009, 19:50:27 Субъект: Closing Gitmo  This is one of the examples of a bad situation that has happened (Gitmo has held without trial - some people for over 5 years.. some as long as 7 or 8 years) The extreme answer is to close gitmo. The CORRECT answer would be process the captured in a TIMELY MANOR and deal with them. Some of the men held at Gitmo was just in the wrong place at the wrong time - they are not a threat (well were not - maybe now since they have been held in the same areas as extremist for the past many years.. enough to probable get a little brainwashed and pissed at the US for such a long detainment). Anyway, for some even, the US wants to release them and send them back home, but their home country will not accept them. And who would want to accept someone who 5-8 years ago was not a threat, but again - has been held in close contact with extremist who may have altered their view? Anyway, this situation is something that should have been solved MANY years ago. It is a shame that Bush let it go this long and made it a problem that Obama will have to sort out. I think "Closing" was too harsh of a direction to go - where as "dealing & processing ALL people held within 6 months" would have been a MUCH better way to go. ... and then if there are extremist which are too "bad" to do anything with, they can stay at Gitmo - but others who are not will hopefully be finally released. But what do I know - I've only said for the past 4 years they needed to do something with the people being held and not just hold them indefinitely. 23. Января 2009, 22:00:58 Субъект: Re: Closing Gitmo coan.net: You may well be right. It will be interesting to see how this plays out now that Obama is in charge. I have confidence that he will take into consideration the ongoing threat against the US. I don't expect Obama to cave in to radical pressures but to do what is both right and in the best interest of the security of the US. I know that Obama favors closing Gitmo in large part because of the negative view the world has on the US for what they percieve as injustices at Gitmo. Even if none of what's percieved were true, perception is a large part of their reality and Obama is dedicated to changing the world's opinion on the US. That is a good thing if properly balanced with the realities of the kind of enemy we have detained.
23. Января 2009, 22:26:15 Субъект: Re: Closing Gitmo Artful Dodger: I second that emotion  23. Января 2009, 22:27:15 Субъект: Re: Closing Gitmo Jim Dandy: See, I'm not totally unreasonable.  23. Января 2009, 22:35:12 Субъект: Re: Closing Gitmo Artful Dodger: It will give you more credability when you pounce on his policies later  23. Января 2009, 22:39:48 Субъект: Re: Closing Gitmo Jim Dandy: I'm sure I will have plenty of opportunity to do just that. I'll just pretend he is Bush making the decisions and ask myself what the liberal left would say, and then I go from there. 23. Января 2009, 22:40:19 Субъект: here's one 23. Января 2009, 22:43:41 Субъект: Re: here's one Charles Martel: Excellent example of the problems the US will face if they release any detainee. 23. Января 2009, 23:45:45 Субъект: Re: Closing Gitmo coan.net: Well, the Bush administration has already released many of the gitmo prisoners, the ones who were the least threats, and many of them have gone back to their old ways already... also, why would they release some, and then still keep others who were "just in the wrong place at the wrong time"???? Anyway, I dont buy that either, really, just in the wrong place at the wrong time??? You mean like accidentally going into Iraq during a war???? 23. Января 2009, 23:51:45 Субъект: You mean like accidentally going into Iraq during a war???? Czuch: Good point. I don't know that I've ever gotten a good explanation on this one. I think the entire situation is far more complex than most of us realize. Not sure where I heard this but the question was asked, is Obama more concerned with the reputation of the US (closing Gitmo will go a long way in improving our image) or about keeping our country safe? I do know of former terriorists that are no longer committing acts of terror but are in fact, exposing Islam as a religion of hate and intolerance. But these terrorists weren't changed because of some government program. They found a greater reason to abondon Islam and embrace a belief that makes far more sense to them. ;) 23. Января 2009, 23:52:49 Субъект: I couldn't resist,fair and balanced? 24. Января 2009, 00:07:12 Субъект: Re: You mean like accidentally going into Iraq during a war???? Artful Dodger: is Obama more concerned with the reputation of the US (closing Gitmo will go a long way in improving our image) or about keeping our country safe? I think it is both....I think he announced the closing to make everyone feel good about the US, but he left himself some wiggle room by stating that it would be done in accordance with national security and other concerns.... 24. Января 2009, 00:14:56 Сделано для Bernice (24. Января 2009, 00:17:27) australia had a man released and he returned (David Hicks) went to jail for about 6-9 months in low security and is now a model citizen, has gone back to university and is leading a normal life......he WAS a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time..........I havent googled him but feel free to do so. I think he converted to become a muslim and this is what "buried " him so to speak.....he also was tortured in Guantanamo Bay, altho the USA deny that fact, but..................? 24. Января 2009, 00:35:26 Субъект: Re: I couldn't resist,fair and balanced?
A few months ago Chris Wallace chewed out the hosts of a daytime Fox show (not sure which one) for "bashing" Obama. Some of those shows do that or at least, have done that. When the hard news programs go that direction, I'll switch the channel. That said, I highly recommend the clip. You will get a huge laugh out of it. Somehow John Stewart is able to make Fox always look bad and in some cases I find it difficult to disagree with his assessment. My favorite is the question about the second swearing in: Obama didn't have his hand on the Bible. So is he really the president. Duh, it's the Chief Justice swearing Obama in. The dudes the president already.
24. Января 2009, 00:39:05 Субъект: Re: Bernice: If true it's an injustice. But terrorists don't wear name tags so I give the benefit of the doubt to the US. As for "torture" if they had to eat my cooking they could call it torture. I don't know what people mean when they say "torture." I always think of ripping out fingernails or slicing off fingers. Loud music just doesn't seem to be so bad. My kids listened to loud music all the time. Yes it was torture for me but not on the level of having my skin peeled off my body or my fingernails yanked out.  24. Января 2009, 00:51:45 Субъект: Re: Сделано для BadBoy7 (24. Января 2009, 01:15:51) Artful Dodger: I know u prefer lighted matches stuck under ur toe nails 24. Января 2009, 01:13:41 Because I know you can't believe everything you read, I have no idea if this is true, but.....? http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/David-Hicks-affidavit/2004/12/10/1102625527396.html 24. Января 2009, 02:08:24  well the women lippers arent so pleased with their president....they want more women to men ratio in the Obama regime! what ever happened to "the right person for the right job"? 24. Января 2009, 02:39:37 Субъект: Re: Bernice: Interesting. Hard to now what to believe. Here's another story. From Fox. lol http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262960,00.html and http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,261542,00.html And Kevin McCullough calls Daivd Hicks a "dunderhead." What was he doing in Afganistan? Don't know but I wasn't there. But Davie was. And it's unlikely he was just there for an afternoon stroll. It makes more sense that he was aiding the enemy. http://kevinmccullough.townhall.com/blog/2007/2007/04/page5 24. Января 2009, 04:34:07 Former French President Chirac hospitalised after mauling by his clinically depressed poodle a clinically depressed poodle?  24. Января 2009, 04:53:29 Субъект: Re: Artful Dodger: ROFL..... 24. Января 2009, 04:56:53 Субъект: Re: Bernice: The headline cracks me up. How does a poodle get depressed? Poodle:" I'm feeling kinda down today. I didn't get my doggie treat like I'm supposed to. I think I'll bite Chirac."  24. Января 2009, 05:26:04 Субъект: Re: Artful Dodger: I have a similar dog...Bear is a shih-tzu....he is depressed at the moment because he had to have a bath today LOL.....he HATES water....he won't even go outside for a pee if it is raining.... but clinically depressed? hahahahaha 24. Января 2009, 05:29:12 Субъект: Re: Bernice: We had a dog like that too. Refused to pee outside when it rained. And I live in a State where it rains all winter ! lol I wonder if the dog in question will go to a shrink? 24. Января 2009, 05:31:01 Субъект: Re: Bernice: the torturing seemed to have worked 25. Января 2009, 01:24:01 Субъект: Government isn't the solution, they are the problem. More is coming 25. Января 2009, 04:32:39 Сделано для Papa Zoom (25. Января 2009, 04:33:27) I wonder if the liberals in congress will now call for an investigation of the Obama administration for war crimes? (much like they are trying to do for the Bush administration) Or will the incident below just be ignored because they will either link it to Bush or just excuse it away. After all, women and children were killed and Obama is the Commander in Chief? Any liberals care to comment? KABUL, Afghanistan - The U.S. coalition in Afghanistan opened an investigation into an overnight raid early Saturday that American commanders say killed 15 armed militants but that two Afghan officials say killed 11 civilians. A detailed U.S. statement said multiple teams of militants fired on the coalition forces during a raid against a Taliban commander early Saturday in the eastern province of Laghman. The U.S. said a woman carrying a rocket-propelled grenade was among the 15 killed. "We know the people who were killed were shooting at us," said Col. Greg Julian, the top U.S. spokesman in Afghanistan. "The people who were killed today were running around, maneuvering against our forces, and we killed them." But Sayed Ahmad Safi, the spokesman for Laghman's governor, said that government intelligence reports indicated 11 of the dead were civilians, including three children and two females. Two of the dead were militants, he said. 25. Января 2009, 04:43:40 I see, Bush is a war criminal because because when he killed women and children he was the President longer. But If you're new at the Presidency, you can kill innocent women and children and get a pass. So how long can Obama be responsible for the killing of innocent women and children before he can be accused of war crimes? He's killed 5 so far (according to liberal logic) so how long can this go on before people on the left start to call him on it? 25. Января 2009, 04:54:42 Субъект: Re: Artful Dodger: The war in Afghanistan was part of the war on terror, the hunt for Bin Laden - a war that most of the world agreed with the Bush administration in starting. There are innocent people killed there, but most see that as part of a just war - a war that was not elective, but a war that was started in retaliation for the attack against America. The war in Iraq was an elective war that the Bush administration started - a war that most of the world did not agree with - so when innocent people get killed there, it is easy to see why some would blame the Bush Administration for this - since this was a war that should have never been started (as some would see it). If the Obama administration starts a new elective war and innocent people get killed, then yes - I can see people wanted put the war criminal name to Obama. 25. Января 2009, 05:01:50 Субъект: Re: coan.net: I see. So the fact that the Clinton administration, including Al Gore, and other members of his administration called for military action against Saddam (well before Bush came along) and the fact that they all claimed a connection to terrorism and the fact that they all claimed over and over about WMD, just because Bush acts upon those facts, with the backing of congress, democrats and republicans, the war is somehow "elective?" And that in and "elective" war, it's not ok to kill innocent women and children but in a correct war, it's ok to kill innocent women and children. Yeah, that sounds like a liberals way of thinking. So tell me BBW, was the president lying when he said the following: "Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world. Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons." 25. Января 2009, 05:12:35 Субъект: Re: Artful Dodger: Well I'm not sure how the Clinton administration could be blamed when they did not act upon it. So question - is Hitler a war criminal? I mean he acted with the backing of his countries administration & politicians? (like the Bush administration acted with the backing of Congress.) [POINT: Just because someone's own country "backs" killing does not make it right.] I know bringing this up will bring up how this organization is broken - but I still believe any elective war against another country should be backed by the UN. (not just a group of friendly countries). Let me back up a minute: I see 2 types of wars. First is a war that is started in retaliation for an attack. War on terror & invasion of Afghanistan was in retaliation for 9/11. Attack of Japan was in retaliation for Pearl Harbor. War with Germany was in retaliation for them declaring war against the US after Japan started the war with the US. Second - Elective war. This is a war which is started as a pre-emptive strike. THE ONLY TIME in my eyes that an elective war should be started again is with the backing of the UN - which not just the views of 1 country is taking into account - but the views of many countries. ======= You ask about the president lying in the statement. Well I don't see that statement as a lie - I mean the attack was ordered - was joined by British forces - used the reasoning for attacking weapons program - was a pre-emtive to protect the US. So no, I don't think the statement you wrote is a lie. I believe many facts were distorted and the facts that did not agree with the war plan were labeled as not reliable - and the Bush administration led many to believe the war in Iraq was part of the war on Terror, where in reality it was a second war. 25. Января 2009, 05:19:46 Субъект: Re: Tuesday: I'm finished posting on this board. I'm with you on this one...enough already 25. Января 2009, 05:19:52 Субъект: Re: coan.net: Comparing Bush to Hitler is just such a cheap comparison. Bush never ordered the murder of millions of people (as a matter of policy, that is exactly what Hitler did). Bush attacked an outlaw government after 18 years of defiance, murder, and invasion of allies. How many more years of actively pursuing weapons programs were we to tolerate? As for the statement, how it can not be a lie, but yet a distortion? What facts were distorted? 25. Января 2009, 05:23:17 Субъект: Re: Artful Dodger: Ok Czuch... I did not compare Bush with Hitler. I was simply pointing out that just because ones own country backs a war DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT. Tuesday & anastasia: Now I remember why I stopped in the fellowship political boards - everyone nit-picks and starts to put words in my mouth. I think I'm done also. Artful Dodger: Sorry that I started - please just ignore my comments below. I will stay out of the rest of the conversations also. 25. Января 2009, 05:28:43 Субъект: Re: coan.net: This is the problem with these kinds of discussions. It was said that Bush is a war criminal. Then you support it by asking a question on whether Hitler could be considered a war criminal for his actions (because he had the backing of his government). But his government was very different for one. And Hitler invaded countries that were no threat to anyone. He had treaties with them and yet he attacked them anyway. He bombed cities relentlessly. He didn't go for military targets, he bombed cities and infrastructures. Then he ordered his soldiers to kill everyone. He did this with the backing of the government (because he was a dictator). If Bush is a war criminal, then so are all the democrats and republicans that gave approval for the war. It's not a stretch to suggest you were comparing Bush with Hitler since that is exactly what you did. Otherwise, why bring him up? 25. Января 2009, 05:30:04 pppptoooooooeeeeeee........now that the dummy spitting is finished, lets carry on ROFLMBO 25. Января 2009, 05:32:51 Субъект: Re: Bernice: I just wish people would argue their case on its merits and remain consistent. Obama has the backing of the government in Afghanistan but because people see that war as necessary, when innocent people are killed it's considered differently. I don't get the double standard. 25. Января 2009, 05:37:17 Субъект: Re: Сделано для Papa Zoom (11. Октября 2011, 15:48:08) Bernice: Thing is, I actually like Obama. :) (update) but I no longer do...along with thousands of others who have seen his true colors. He's and incompetent loser and proof that the Peter principle is true. 25. Января 2009, 05:39:36 Субъект: hey dan if u was president thou the only cabinet you would have is a GUN CABINET  25. Января 2009, 05:41:44 Субъект: Re: hey dan if u was president thou BadBoy7: Wanna hear my views on gun control?  25. Января 2009, 05:43:55 Субъект: Re: hey dan if u was president thou  Artful Dodger: Oohhhhhhhhhhhhh puleassse don't go there. << < 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 > >> |
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Jim Dandy: Two things: first, that is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. No one does it better than John. Second, isolated clips don't mean much in a larger context. You know what you get with Rush and you know what you get with Hannity. So those aren't good examples. OTOH, there were some soundbites that truly had my head shaking.
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