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Субъект: Re: to what extent do we have free will and in what cases do we not ( if any)?
Artful Dodger: [ I've not heard of Yetzer Hatoz before so I'll have to "Bing" it ]
I binged it, er, I mean winged it with google. The branch of Judaism V is referring to is very involved and complicated, but if I can believe the source (Wikipedia... okay I admit it, I'm often lazy with sources, but I didn't want to spend a lot of time with this) what I gleaned from it was the idea that perfection is earned, and sin is something we are somehow able to deal with on our own, with Gods help of course... it you take God out of the equation it could no longer be considered a branch or outgrowth of Judaism. Anyway, the idea of being completely dependent on God for our salvation morphs into it being less of Gods doing and more for us to do for attaining salvation.
My impression of this 'branch' of Judaism is the same with how some sects of Christianity have branched out in a way that appear to contradict the core tenets of Christian belief. It's like starting at the base of a cherry tree and moving up until you come to a branch, and then begin following the branch out towards the tips of it. If you find pine needles growing out from the tips of those branches you may not notice anything out of the ordinary if you forgot what kind of tree you originally started to examine.
By the way, I'm not claiming to do anything more than a cursory overview based on a few minutes of looking at what I personally believe is a biased and questionable source. The source is used often by people who want to argue with me, so I can't go wrong using it in my own arguments... less grounds for accusing me of bias.