Justaminute: wonder is that the 'bug' he's on about?

Celticjim: Bored Jim? That was a timely reply to a post made on the 16th Nov 2004!

SL-Mark:
Well, that corresponds to the speed of some espionage games. :-))

bumble: yes

Hi all, at IYT someone approached me to ask me about the League. He wants to set up a competition at IYT and wanted to know about the League, what worked and what not. I tried to answer as good as I could, adding I thought it would be hard with so many quitting/leaving to BK. 

Chaos: The move from IYT to BK came about because we lost our forum and hence our ability to speak, jest and provoke each other.

I see little point returning. Even if there was serious competition at IYT, how would the SL organise events?

Why does quad not want to come here? S/he could have entered any of the 2012 World Championship espionage tournaments.

SL-Mark: Your answer is almost the same as my answer to him, but I didn't want to speak for others, that's why I put the question out here. The League doesn't really exist here either, unfortunately. Could you give me the link to the 2012 Championship? I must say I had already forgotten about it, ahem... Quad doesn't like the interface here at BK. I don't like it either I must confess. And I don't like the overload of tournaments.

Chaos: Agree that the league doesn't really exist here, well not in the same form. At IYT, there was a need for some, and in many cases, considerable coordination to promote and run tournaments. That work has been made redundant through the flexibility of BK in being able to create ones own tournaments, e.g. Nothingness and Sandoz recently had some popular tournaments, and you had a beginners one a while ago. Who won?

Yes, I can remember when I first joined BK, that the interface was rather unwieldy, and that was without poking at all the settings behind the scenes! However, like anything new, it just took a little while to get used to.

The 2012 World championship has already started, and indeed, I still have games running in the 2011 championship. So we won't know who the 2011 champ is until 2013

The link to the 2012 Open Fast is Championship world BK 2012
As you can see, the competition is strong, though progression to final has been made easier through your absence.
There are championship tournaments for all the espionage variants, as well as all the other games on site.

SL-Mark:

I don't think setting up custom tournaments here is a big advantage in sabotage/espionage simply because of the length of the games and the fact that BK tournaments are limited by the longest game in each round. I.e., we would still benefit from running tournaments as we did at IYT.

That said, the custom time controls offered here, plus the forums make this a preferable location.

Personally, I've been timing out of a number of games here lately due to inattention and won't be adding any IYT events anytime soon.

SL-Mark:
What are you taking about? The real world championship in espionage is over.
And the world champ has already been determined:

BrainKing World All Games Champion Ship Tournament

:-E)

cookie monster:
Yes, following games on two sites is beyond my current capacity and motivation.

That said, even distinguishing between the amateur and professional world championship events on this site can easily be mistaken by some! At least that ambiguity did not arise at IYT.
:-E)

I've been back on IYT for almost a year and there are some decent players there, not as good as we have here though.

Well, I came here because most of you league guys switched to bk due to the deactivation of the discussion boards on IYT. Since then it has become very "unchallenging" on IYT. It took me some time to ease into the purely technical interface here, as well.
Meanwhile, I see no reason to switch back anymore neither to play on both sites.

That said, let's see IYT as kind of a bootcamp!
And if a new talent is ready to challenge the 20 world champs, BK is the place to be. ;-)

SL-Mark:  "you had a beginners one a while ago. Who won?"

took a notion and created a FB group for Sabotage/Espionage players .Saw that Rip Washington aka Saboteur had a FB link in his profile as I was perusing an opponents setups.Have sent him a friend request.Playing some decent games on IYT at the min so will invite all opponents.It's a good platform for posting pics and possibly links to business websites and the like.Anyway,not everyones cup of tea but you can create a FB profile specifically for the group if you're concerned about privacy issues.Could be some fun http://www.facebook.com/groups/272272279545343/

I'll get around to cover pic etc in next day or 2

Eric Hanson is in-there's a new face .Rip Washington has been invited-he did accept my friend request earlier.I think he was one of the ones on the old yahoo/msn photo group.He hasn't played on IYT in a year--come on fellow sab/esp players, lets get a massive tourny rumbling

Celticjim: i played my very first game of sabotage vs Saboteur... i lost to him then never lost to him again.

I'm going to put up some cash and meteorites once we get to a certain number of players.Each group winner will get a prize and the further you progress the bigger the prize.Come on come all-not necessary to join the FB group I should think but you know the old saying about curiousity and the cat

Celticjim: what tournament are you talking about?

Chaos: will let you know when I know

Does anyone play at Goldtoken?
You can make your own club there and it looks easier to have more tournies going at the same time

Tian-Xian: you can still only play bin one tourney as a guest on goldtoken! Exactly the same as here!

just seen you have to be silver to join a club

I'm pretty sure that you can only make 20 moves a day

It was more the club set up I thought would be good but as I found out, you have to pay as a silver to be in one

Anyone aware of this problem?
1. I load an existing saved position
2. I modify it slightly
3. I submit my move
Everything looks good, the game is shown as it is my opponents turn.
But - some hours later - the game is back in my list, with no position, and I have to do it all over again! I have tried five times for one game, I cannot get it to work. It always comes back to me after some hours with no position.

Aganju: What do you do in step 2 'I modify it slightly'. I do not understand what you mean with that.

Chaos: I imagine it means he moved one of his preplaced pieces.

Aganju, how about if you handle it slightly differently. Go into the Editor, and change it (your "slight modification", and save THAT, and then try to use THAT as your placement? A little of a pain, but it MIGHT work.

Chaos: I mean that I move two or three pieces around, for example take two out and place them switched. I typically do that, so opponents cannot check earlier games to see whee my headquarters is.

rod03801: yes that works, but I would have to overwrite or save the changed position every time. It should work without that, right? And the really strange thing isthat it seems to work, but the game comes back to me blank after several hours only.

I have no idea on the technical issues encountered here, but I will put in a plug for random start positions. I play by setting my base and bombs and, usually one or two spies in the front row and one or two sappers in the back row and then 'randomly place remaining pieces'. It takes less than 10 seconds to get going.

I doubt it's visible any more a IYT, but there was a game played there between pcron and Ruth that highlighted the dangers of saved positions. pcron apparently used a saved start position and Ruth apparently knew which one. :)

Aganju: I had similair problem in one or two games recently.

Aganju: Yes, it SHOULD. (I would think so anyway). But I haven't used the editors in several years. I was just proposing a possible "work around", that would be easier than starting from scratch.

rod03801: understood. I might actually go for the solution proposed below by 'cookie monster' (I thought it is 'vegetable monster' now??), because I'm afraid someone is willing to put the effort in to find my starting position from last game and track my moves and gain a significant advantage.
(not that it would be needed at my current level of play - you can still win easily against me if you know a bit what you do)

Aganju: Yes, I am a fan of random placement, and just keep clicking it until I get one that makes me happy, then make a few "tweaks" to it. I'm almost positive there are no problems with modifications when using that method.

i currently have a faulty saved position where im missing bomb...i kept it b/c it was a glitch i could use as a distraction... but i never used it. probably never will

hey,what about a new league tournament?

Styleone: Yes, but only with Fischer clock. Getting fed up of the persistently slow players.
What about Fisher clock: 36 hours/ 24 hours/ 3 days

sounds good, I prefer a fast moving tournament too.

Just today the (hopefully) final round of Open Espionage League Brain prize Tourney (start april 2010) has started. I don't know if I feel like starting a new tournament, I don't believe in 'fast' anymore. Fisher's clock stil allows for vacations, right?

Chaos: No vacation. Fischer clock is defined by three parameters:

Time - specifies a time for all game moves in days and hours which is set for each player when the game starts. When a player makes a move, the elapsed time from the last move of the opponent is subtracted from this value. If the time drops to a zero, the player loses by a timeout.

Bonus - the number of days and hours which is added to the player's time left value each time he makes a move.

Limit - the maximum time left value for this game which cannot be exceeded using the Bonus feature.

so 36hr / 24hr/ 3days means
- you have 36 hours to move.
- every time you move, 24 hours is added to your current clock time
- a maximum of 3 days can be built up on you clock, which gives you 3 days to move.

I think you can save some time, perhaps a lot of time, by not setting it up as a single tournament.

If you set each section (and round) separately than you can start, for example, round 2 once the round 1 sections are decided instead of having to wait for every game to complete.

As of 2013 I will have to announce that I will be giving up gaming for the foreseeable future. I need to focus more on my marriage and family than I do gaming. Gaming had been a huge part of my life for the last 20 years and its about time to set it aside to work on other more important things. My gaming focus the past few years has been very poor, i do not like doing things half way, its 100% or nothing. once I finish up my current games I will be leaving here till further notice. I will not be starting any new games. thanks for the fun times.

Nothingness: Looking at your current games, I guess you will still be playing in 2014.

A Black Rook account too! You could gift it / lend it out for your period of absence. On your return you would the be able to admire the improved stats of your account :)

Joking aside, all the best for 2013 and your New Years resolution!

Nothingness: This sounds serious. I will anxiously wait your return.

@Nothingness
you are right, there are a lot more important things than gaming. All the best from me too.

not be the best moment to post that, but today starting a new tournament. Sorry...

small fast spionage and eile mit weile

Nothingness: Good Luck in all the things you do and a lot of happiness with your family! Not the same here without you, but your real life comes first!

I have a few games to finish up before im totally out of here!

Championship world BK 2013

greetings