TO SUMERIAN:

That's very nice and generous of you. But I have to refuse since I really am not interested in Gothic chess. If you see I'm taking part in the tournament it is because I just wanted to test my luck and of course abilities and to see how well I can be at something quite unfamiliar.

I am willing, very much willing, to help you bulid a program playing CYLINDER CHESS strongly if you ever decide to do that. But no Gothic or Janus for me. Until when I can manage to have no loss in regular chess, there's no need for me to try those variants. EdTrice is the only man I have seen with NO loss in his profile and smarter than many can even imagine. He has his "iron will" as he once told me and that helps him sit and think for hours and it's something I don't have. I'm just 20 yeras old and am more a kid than a man who is able to sit and just think. I am here mostly to just have fun.

****EDITTED TO CORRECT SOME TYPOES*****

harley: Errr, then I'll repost my message here too.

Sumerian: Oh well, here they swing us around! Let's go to general chat boards! I think there, no one can complain!

Purple: LOL purple! Thanks for the support. I have decided to never think on this subject again. Caissus is right. Since I cannot do anything about it, it is useless to fight against it.

Well, since EdTrice is giving out the prize, there's no right left for me to say who should have taken part in the tourny and who shouldn't have. Yes. I am a serious young man who WAS a little bit upset with you. What matters now is that we understand eachother and I value your work on the Smirf engine. I have always said that what I say is ONLY my personal ideas and I neither have the will nor the right or the time to stand against anybody. All people especially those of hight intelligence are of great value to me and I admire anybody's work in its own field. It is sometimes the USE that bothers me. I really hope you have nothing upsetting in your heart from me and that you forgive me if I have bothered you by my posts. Sometimes early fights are stages of later friendships!

I didn't compare you to a murderer. I just gave you an example!

if you get this idea that I'm comparing you to a murderer, while I really don't have this in mind, I appologize formally from you on this board, am willing to delete my post and never post anything in favour of you or against you.

In Farsi, we have a saying that says:

Everyone is good unless the opposite has been proved.

Here the word good doesn't mean anything Mr. Sumerian. I really say that. It's just a famous proverb in my language.

I think I can use that to say here on BK everyone is playing by themselves unless the fact that they're getting help is proved.

I never vanished your honesty Sumerian. But I think there's a proper place for honesty. To finish ALL my ideas about this matter, I just give you an example and will never again post a message on this subject:

One admits that he is killing people. He puts it on the local newspaper. Is his work O.K just because he is "honest" and is admitting it?

**** editted to correct the spellings of UNLESS and MATTER****

I totally agree with allowing ALL players to use any kind of help. Still, Mr. Montego I think Sumerian shouldn't have been allowed to play in that tourny. Or to put it better, he himself shouldn't have entered the tourny. I wouldn't hav eever "pick him up" if he hadn't entered that tourny with the big prize. I had noticed his profile a while ago but had nothing against it. In fact I admired his braveness for admitting his 'secret.' But I never think it was any good of him to enter that tourny while he knew many of the players will lose to his program and he may win the prize for nothing.

BerniceC: not my fault! the moderators on that board said here is the place!

This is my answer to the following thoughts of Sumerian which were put on feature request board but we were asked to discuss it here:

"to reza: I am surprised finding me being a subject of a cheating discussion here. Why not simply ask me directly?

a) Before participating in a tournament I am asking its creator under which conditions I would be welcomed or not. If not accepted I am simply not participating. Concerning the most actual GC tournament I have been explicitly invited.
b) If I would use the assistance of my unready and still error containing growing Smirf engine, it is merely a form of organizing my own experiences. Others will use databases of their commented game notations, books or take help from third persons or use unmentioned bought programs. But instead I am relying simply only on MY OWN means.
c) It is no secret what I am doing. I have it openly documented in my profile, that I will mostly be testing a self written engine.
d) Moreover I am mostly waiting to be invited for to play a game, thinking the invitor will have seen and read my profile.

What more can I do than to make those details open and clear for everybody instead of preferring a secret use?"

Dear Sumerian,

First of all, I really don't know what I should have asked you directly. Perhaps why you use a computer to help you?

You have been explicitly invited by Mr. Trice?
Well then I personally don't think he has acted fairly enough. He has offered a big prize and I think it is fair that all the participants of the tournament are in the same situation and use their own abilities alone.

What I giv eyou as my answer to part b of your comments is that using "others" is not the best choice. What I get from that word is that you mean all other people here while it's not true. many of those others do not use notations or help from a third person. Yes, you are using your own means but that Gothic chess tournament isn't the proper place for it. You can use your own means bu putting tens of invitaions on the waiting games page mentioning that those who pick up the invitation are going to play with your "unready and still error containing growing Smirf engine."

Let me put it this way. You are the biggest brain and most qualified person in the world of computers, just pretending. You have with help from no one else created a program that can play gothic and janus chess. Still if you use it to challenge others, I think you are cheating. You can challenge others to make a better program than yours but you cannot challenge them to win your program. That has been a gothic chess tournament and the object is to play gothic chess with no help and to finally determine the one who is able to play gothic chess the best of all not the one who is able to make a program that playes Githic chess better than humans.

Yes, it's no secret what you are doing. You have honestly put your secret on your profile but in this particular case, others have no choice but to play with you. many of those who have lost to you in the tournament and many others who WILL lose to you later, may not choose to play you if you put invitations on the site. But here, they simply have to. I myself will never play you a game of Gothic chess fo two reasons. I am not that much interested in that game since regular chess is still quite challenging for me and second for the "assisstence" you are using. In the tournament it is different. If I can manage to win all in my group, I'll have to play you finally and test my abilities against a machine assissted person. I think you see how different these are. To choose to play you willingly and to be forced to play you by the system controling the tournament.

Finally, yes I admit that putting your secret on your profile is still a lot better than those who have the same secret but never reveal it. But I think you yourself must decide when to join a tournament and when not to. This very tournament, you shouldn't have taken a part in.

Just as I was expecting! a moderator finally came up. OK harley. no more talk on this from me

ScarletRose: Sorry. I was offline when you posted this. Yes, could be because of that.

Whatever they're using it's quite strong in blocking the sites. I don't know weather it is sensitive to words related to sexual cases or just knows what sites are related to that. I suppose it must be the first one since it's hard to feed the system with ALL site names related to sexuality.

Antje: LOl! don't be too picky. Yes, that's it and I still can't see the site. There must be something there that the blocking system in Iran has discovered is not 'good' for me to see!

In anycase, thanks for the reply. I bet right now a moderator comes and says : OFF TOPIC

haha! the most interesting part is that when I click on the link for the questions, I go to no sites!

the browser shows a windows saying : Dear customer, accessing that site is impossible.

Is that site related to sexual or pornographic things?

those sites are blocked in Iran.
Can someone tell me besides chess, what other topics are available on that site named 'anglefire'

Chessmaster1000: Seems you're feeling quite generous Chessmaster!

Ehhhem. Thanks harley.

oh OK. thanks!

I see a number 15 in front of the word Ponds on the left side of my screen. Is it a bug Fencer?

That will be an excellent idea to add the date and time of players' last moves in each game type. If Fencer does this, there will be no need to make any extra charts or whatever. It itself shows every small detail!

I must say that I totally agree with Walter Montego. Perhaps I'll decide to stay a pawn after my membership gets finished this time since I really don't like any other kind person to pay for me and I haven't yet received any answers from those Iranians I had asked if they wanted to join as a paying member either. Or shall I say only two have said that they want to join BK as a paying member.

I am now the top rated player in Screen chess, Cylinder chess and Berolina chess and really wish to stay the top rated player. So even if I am a pawn, if I still play those games, I think it is not fair to have me removed from the charts. That's some sort of pushing players to join by money. But, I totally agree that those who have played against four oponents and are no longer playing the game at least with the same ID, are to be removed from the charts. If one is the top rated player, there must be no fear of accepting new invitations to games. I have always admired that of Walter Montego. He playes DARK CHESS with everyone interested. That's how a top rated player must be.

OK ....

Yes, BUT WHAT harley?

how does it feel being a DADDY, bumble?

I wish all troubles were like those.

thanks for the info both Stevi eand Rose.
Good word to ad to my vocabulary knowledge!

TRIPLETS

hey hey hey. Buble congratulations. I know when someone has two kids, they're called twins but don't know what you call them if they're three!

Little nice babies. How sweet. Give them a kiss for me.

bumble: I was wondering if bumble could put a photo of the baby on hi sprofile so that we all could see how nice that kid is.

I love babies ......... --- tears of happiness these are.

lol @ bad bishop

:o))

so I think we have no more to say until when I have informed all Iranians on the site about the plan. Is that OK?

Same here Fencer. I'll go on using English. Sometimes I feel rather comfortable using my own language though!

miporsam! fencer listeshuno dad behem. avval baayad bebinam chandtaashun toyee!

kaare te haftas age hame bekhaan

mehdi chera cherto pert migi?

I appreciate that fencer. Thanks

yes they are harley. still I don't know if they all have accounts in bank melli. If they do and all are willing to pay, that's ideal!

no harley. there are none. we do have our "national credit cards" but they don't work online!

And, well, I knew only those whose names I mentioned.

can you give me a list of the othersfencer?

no! not yet. I want to pay, you want to, but how about the others? And, even if they DO want to pay, they must first send the money to one of us or we must send it to one of them! This needs a little bit of time!

.... but one other problem is that not all of us live in the same city! :((

But still it works. I must try to find others who want to pay. I already know a few Iranians on the site. Me, Mehdi, Ali, fariborz2 and masoud.

Now this is a Grammer Class. It's going to be rather amuzing! lol

Now you hav e apoint Fencer. I hadn't thought of that before. yes, perhaps if I could find more people and tried to send you the whole money at once, I could do it. yes, Yes. That's wise.

But still, I cannot walk in the streets and say:

"does anyone want a Brainking membership?"

Bad Bishop, I live in teh same place as Mehdi does!

I've tried once to send Cd's in that way. They did reach the other person but all of them were skratched if you know what I mean. Since It's against teh law to send things hidden in other things, if they take the money I can do nothing about it.

And please beware that $20 is a small amount of money where you live!

Not in here. It is 17400 tomans approximately and not that small to be lost!

Fencer, i don't really read these boards. I just take a look at HOME's discussion boards from time to time. But now that I looked at the link you have posted, I want to mention a fact.

One of my colleagues, in The English institute where I work, also works in that "bank saderat" and I've already asked him about the money transfer. He himself suggested that for small amounts of money, the bank of Melli which is another bank in Iran is better. I've asked there too. Still the tax they ask for is not fair. Though they say they're working on some rules to make the taxes lessend. Until then, I personally don't find it wise to register to Brainking. I've been lucky those kind people have paid for me but I hereby declare that I want no other person get into trouble of paying for my membership. I thank the two once again an ddo hope I can return their favours as soon as I can.

I suggest that we keep our "thoughts" to ourselves unless we at least begin to come to the fact that those thoughts are close to 'reality.'

Just a thought :)

In chess, when a pawn can only go one step forward, In BK 1.0 the move would be made automatically but in here I had to select the square myself. Lazy, aren't I?

Fencer, there's one other small bug I just noticed. When you choose "move and go to message box" it doesn't! it leads you to the main page. Maybe it doesn't work for other options properly either. i didn't check

Thanks

Fencer, to what e-mail address should I sent my photo so that you can put it on my profile?

Ian gave me fencer@brainking.com
Is it the correct one?

The username of some of the players like one named ZASTIRA before has some question marks in it like his is now Zast?ra !!!!