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2. september 2010, 15:22:03
Hrqls 
Ämne: Re:
pedestrian: i dont know if you can call it a formula .. but personally i look back to the last 3 rounds .. i look at how much the average increases between those rounds and continue from that .. or i simple do 1.5 times the last difference

its quite easy to copy that and add 1 ...
i think the 'formula' used by other players is a bit more complicated .. but as said .. the goal of this game is to guess the formula used by your fellow players and use it to your advantage

2. september 2010, 14:44:49
MadMonkey 
Ämne: Re:
pedestrian: That is what i said....only your explanation is much clearer

2. september 2010, 14:42:25
pedestrian 
Ämne: Re:
Bwild: @ "it seems highly unlikely that these 2(?) players can be 1 apart for so many turns."

If people don't pay attention to each other's actions and pick a number more or less at random, then yes, that is extremely unlikely. But if one person uses a formula that is based, for instance, on the average number from the last round, and sticks rigidly to this formula, and somebody else figures out what he does and takes advantage - then this is not unlikely at all. In fact, what we see in these two ponds is exactly what you would expect to see.



2. september 2010, 14:08:53
Fencer 
Ämne: Re:
Bwild: Sounds like "Yes, I am a loser and I cannot stand anyone else being successful" sort of whining to me. Well, if it makes you happy, carry on.

Everybody else: I don't take ponds as serious games and, honestly, I really don't care if people make some agreements while playing. Actually, I was thinking of making some improvements of the pond system and even started to work on it. However, I don't give it a shit now. You can thank Bwild and his ability to be such a nice person.

2. september 2010, 13:39:39
Bwild 
Ämne: Re:
MadMonkey: seems the posting of the ponds in question is ample proof to me. not like Pedro just pulled these names out of a hat.

2. september 2010, 13:37:24
Bwild 
Ämne: Re:
Vikings: "I'm just stating what Fencers stand has been"
and that,unfortunately, is nothing.
too busy spending eternity with this supposed bk3, and trolling for black rook money,imo.
it seems highly unlikely that these 2(?) players can be 1 apart for so many turns.
whats to stop the multi-nic abusers from over running us with boosting and cheating in prize tournies and other games if this stuff is just continually over looked?

2. september 2010, 13:36:13
MadMonkey 
Ämne: Re:
Vikings: I know anything is hard to prove, BUT for someone to announce on the brainking main board:

Quote:

I would like to draw attention to two cheats
and
I want them to be banned from the site, banned from ponds or stripped of their BKRs and removed from rankings !


is totally out of order. Get the proof first .....

2. september 2010, 13:27:48
Vikings 
Rod is correct, Fencer has said in the past that because it is a multi-player game, that collusion is not necessarily cheating, he also has said that is would be almost impossible to prove, for example, there are people defending the possibility that these examples are not cheating, I find it ironic that out of the many claims in the past of cheating, the person that tends to stand up for the accused the most is Pedro,
Mad Monkey, if a formula is being used here, there is not enough information to figure it out,

Don't get me wrong Pedro, I agree with you, I'm just stating what Fencers stand has been

2. september 2010, 13:11:48
"GERRY" 
Ämne: Re:
Ändrat av "GERRY" (2. september 2010, 13:24:41)
MadMonkey: This is why i do not play in ponds & also poker to

& i enjoy playing poker to until this page loading stuff because i still can' t get into.
I still have 1000 chips & can't find a game to use them in

2. september 2010, 13:05:51
MadMonkey 
Ämne: Re:
rod03801:

Just looking again, notice in both Tournament Ponds that Pedro pointed out, the FIRST play (which he neglected to mention) were nothing like each other

Again shows me they (like myself, and probably 90% of others) wait to the next round and work there next play out from the average of the previous round

2. september 2010, 12:52:28
rod03801 
Ämne: Re:
Also, I believe I remember at some point that Fencer may have said that "team play" in Ponds was not necessarily cheating?
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sure I remember it at least being part of a conversation. LOL

2. september 2010, 12:06:31
MadMonkey 
Ämne: Re:
rabbitoid: lol Ed Trice...now there is a name from the past

No i am not thank God..... the one i used is just pure maths as long as you get through the first round.....

2. september 2010, 11:48:50
rabbitoid 
Ämne: Re:
MadMonkey: Hey, I hope you're not a reincarnation of Ed Trice, he was going on about a magic formula a couple of years ago. when challenged to prove it he didn't do so good.

And by the way, the rating system in ponds is rubbish.

2. september 2010, 10:52:37
MadMonkey 
Ämne: Re:
pedestrian:

Like i said i was told A formula by someone in the top 10 about 3 years ago and look how my Rating shot up ( GRAPH ).

OK, it has dipped mainly through time-outs and i do not play them these days very often, but if i wanted i could climb easily again.

I would say that nearly all the good players work to some sort of formula in the head when they look at the numbers......

formulas can be simple, or hard depending who devised it. I know the one i use is simple as anything

2. september 2010, 10:44:43
pedestrian 
Ämne: Re:
MadMonkey:  It does look very suspicious, but I think MadMonkey has a point. It is possible that nauars has a formula, and that tenuki simply guessed his formula and played 1 higher every time.

2. september 2010, 10:37:13
MadMonkey 
I just looked at Ratings and i know 2 people in the top 10 who use this formula (could be more of course, just ones i know) BUT neither are ones you mention. They may use a different formula

2. september 2010, 10:28:54
MadMonkey 
Ämne: Re:
Pedro Martínez: All i can say on this matter, is they may well use the same formula to get through to the next round

I used to fall in Ponds (normal ones) all the time (ok, now i never play them as i do not like them) BUT i know there is a simple formula to help you do well in Ponds.

When i was told this method and i used it, i used to get through to the next round much easier, not a guaranteed win, but when i used it i was getting to the last few all the time.

2. september 2010, 09:43:44
Hrqls 
Ämne: Re:
Pedro Martínez: it has happened before in ponds (i think by some players from scandinavia ?)

i dont know if its cheating to form teams in ponds .. does it say anything about it in the pond rules ?

2. september 2010, 05:16:40
Bwild 
Ämne: Re:
Pedro Martínez: well..thats not right,and I agree that something should be done. same thing happened on the texas hold'em tables...but nothing happened on top managements part.
they over look this little thing...then the next..it just snowballs.
frustrating when your trying hard to win fairly.

2. september 2010, 05:00:11
Bernice 
Ämne: Re:
Pedro Martínez: of course there should be, but will there be???

2. september 2010, 04:18:37
Pedro Martínez 
Ämne: Re:
Bernice: Well, of course it is possible. But whether they are or not, the evidence shows that they collude… and there should be consequences…

2. september 2010, 04:08:59
Bernice 
Ämne: Re:
Pedro Martínez: is it possible that it is one and the same person?

2. september 2010, 03:40:25
nodnarbo 
Ämne: Re:
paully: LOL!

2. september 2010, 03:32:42
paully 
Ämne: Re:
Pedro Martínez: I think the chance of that happening by accident would be akin to the chance of Arthur Ashe winning this years US Open

2. september 2010, 03:12:52
Pedro Martínez 
Ändrat av Pedro Martínez (2. september 2010, 03:13:42)
I would like to draw attention to two cheats, namely tenuki and nauars.

If they happen to be in the same pond, tenuki's bet is almost always higher by 1 than the one of nauars. See this:
12. 12. ve 12 na 12 dnů a 12 hod
Round 21: tenuki 1152, nauars 1151
Round 20: tenuki 1000, nauars 1000 (Igra4ka: *999)
Round 19: tenuki 939, nauars 938
Round 18: tenuki 828, nauars 827
Round 17: tenuki 728, nauars 727
Round 16: tenuki 635, nauars 634
Round 15: tenuki 526, nauars 525
Round 14: tenuki 492, nauars 491
Round 13: tenuki 428, nauars 427
Round 12: tenuki 334, nauars 334 (fishbrain: *333)
Round 11: tenuki 315, nauars 314
Round 9: tenuki 227, nauars 226
Round 8: tenuki 153, nauars 153 (purplehawke: *152)
Round 7: tenuki 153, nauars 153 (purplehawke: *152)
Round 6: tenuki 121, nauars 121 (James T. Kirk: *120)
Round 5: tenuki 122, nauars 121
Round 3: tenuki 103, nauars 102
Round 2: tenuki 97, nauars 96

5. 5. v 5 na 5 dnů a 5 hod
Round 22: tenuki 866, nauars 865
Round 21: tenuki 866, nauars 865
Round 20: tenuki 9, nauars 9 (last person had 8 pts)
Round 19: tenuki 2032, nauars 2031
Round 18: tenuki 1619, nauars 1618
Round 17: tenuki 1439, nauars 1438
Round 16: tenuki 1248, nauars 1247
Round 15: tenuki 1103, nauars 1102
Round 14: tenuki 953, nauars 952
Round 13: tenuki 793, nauars 792
Round 12: tenuki 733, nauars 732
Round 11: tenuki 628, nauars 627
Round 9: tenuki 464, nauars 463
Round 8: tenuki 397, nauars 396
Round 7: tenuki 338, nauars 337
Round 6: tenuki 265, nauars 264
Round 4: tenuki 176, nauars 175
Round 2: tenuki 106, nauars 105

etc. etc.

I want them to be banned from the site, banned from ponds or stripped of their BKRs and removed from rankings!

1. september 2010, 21:18:55
Snoopy 
Ämne: Re: Fencer
rod03801: thanks Rod ive just done that

1. september 2010, 21:03:43
"GERRY" 
Ämne: Re:
rod03801: Thanks rod Fencer will have to look into it

1. september 2010, 21:01:41
rod03801 
Come on. This is not a chat board.

1. september 2010, 21:00:53
"GERRY" 
Ämne: Re: Fencer
Snoopy: BOOT me then

1. september 2010, 20:59:58
"GERRY" 
Ämne: Re: Fencer
Snoopy: Now i sighed back in we are both there again

1. september 2010, 20:58:45
"GERRY" 
Ämne: Re: Fencer
Snoopy: But is back now you sighed back in

1. september 2010, 20:57:19
"GERRY" 
Ämne: Re: Fencer
Snoopy: you removed your self & it was still there then i removed my self & now it is gone

1. september 2010, 20:53:23
"GERRY" 
Ämne: Re: Fencer
Fencer: I justed looked & i can't now

1. september 2010, 20:51:09
Snoopy 
Ämne: Re: Fencer
Fencer: or better still at least have a delete button so i can just erase it

i always thought that ppl on ppl's blocked list could not see tournaments created by that person

1. september 2010, 20:50:33
"GERRY" 
Ämne: Re: Fencer
Fencer: I can Fencer

1. september 2010, 20:40:51
Snoopy 
Ämne: Re: Fencer
Ändrat av Snoopy (1. september 2010, 20:49:46)
Fencer: its not a problem i shall just delete the tournament
but it might be worth adding that button saves alot of time

1. september 2010, 20:40:30
rod03801 
Ämne: Re: Fencer
Ändrat av rod03801 (1. september 2010, 20:41:00)
Snoopy: I think one POTENTIAL problem with that might be that the brains are deducted from your account when you sign up. Then if you are kicked out, they have to be added back in. Maybe that option isn't there because this sort of situation isn't "set up".

I suppose one solution, until something like that IS an option, would be to set it up as invitation only, and have a note in the description to send you a PM if someone wants to participate?

Of course I haven't set up a brain tourney in a long time. Maybe there isn't the option to make it private?

Just some thoughts.

1. september 2010, 20:38:16
Fencer 
Ämne: Re: Fencer
Snoopy: Yes.
But it can be improved.
Nobody ever complained about it, though.

1. september 2010, 20:31:41
Snoopy 
Ämne: Fencer
when creating a tournament with a brain entry fee
there isnt a button to remove unwanted players
is this how it is suppose to be?

1. september 2010, 14:40:45
"GERRY" 
Thanks alot Fencer for your great offer you have givin us this morning from me because i don't drink & from those that do Thanks again Filip

31. augusti 2010, 15:50:34
aaru 
Ämne: Re: Keryo TT
Snoopy: Big thanks for Brf & tenuki.

31. augusti 2010, 15:42:35
Snoopy 
Ämne: Re: Keryo TT
aaru: good to see you got it sorted and your team is included

31. augusti 2010, 15:41:48
"GERRY" 

31. augusti 2010, 02:07:34
"GERRY" 
Ämne: Re:
rod03801: I can see now i can delete it Thank's again & Fencer

31. augusti 2010, 02:05:09
"GERRY" 
Ämne: Re:
rod03801: Ok rod thank's fo INFO I'll check it out more to save that tournament

31. augusti 2010, 01:05:54
rod03801 
Ämne: Re:
"GERRY": When you delete someone from your tournament, you also can "ban" them, so that they cannot join it again after you throw them out.

30. augusti 2010, 23:21:29
"GERRY" 
Ändrat av "GERRY" (30. augusti 2010, 23:22:10)

30. augusti 2010, 23:17:23
"GERRY" 
There seems to be a problem in our tournament games system My Bishop Prize seems to be ok now. but my Hyper Backgammon Rook Prize tournament isn't I have removed unwanted players & they are coming back in. I have been removed from there tournament & i can not get back in to theres
I also can not cancel or delete that tournament.

So Fencer can your return the prize & delete that tournament for me please & thankyou

30. augusti 2010, 21:24:40
Roberto Silva 
I remember reading that knights/bishops could play one single-player tournament per game type at once, and only one team tournament at once, but I can no longer find it either.

30. augusti 2010, 15:56:13
s3v3n 
"A player can join 1 tournament of each game type and until the particular tournament is finished, he cannot sign up for another one of the same game type." - its all that is written about tournaments (not even mentioned team tournaments) for bishops and knights.

i believe that pente and keryo pente are not the same game type. i used to have knight membership and as i remember i played in both pente and keryo pente tournaments then.

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