<hehe, I was partially wrong, blade2004 is just another source account, just now 2 games blade2004->joking appeared :)

I do have an ego...
Yes I like to win...
and yes I expect to be in the top third of any chess club I join...
But chess is the sort of game where total mismatches are no fun...
BKR within limits tells me where I am...

noholds: in your case, dont bother about such things then, you are the best kind of a player, like everyone should be, the third one
(or whether he just loves the game and doesnt bother about ratings so he plays the weakest in the chain and is happy) + in addition he bothers about the quality of the game and is happy when he plays a good game

Apart from the top positions...
Again I ask oes it make any real difference?
Often I will get beaten by a new player who is finding his level...
But a consolidated rating is a useful tool to find my peers... And some very good games are the result..

Just a side note to those who want to understand how I started to be pissed. Joking stated in some interview during renju WC, he is a "famous free renju player". So he didt behave very modestly how a real champ should. And he forgot to add he is a very good player, but in addition a famous cheater :)

ughaibu: there is another bad effect, imagine someone is playing with the weakest (regarding to rating) account in that chain, then its rather unfair, because he can be playing a 2400 instead of 1500.
joking is an interesting exception, because usually weak players use this and he is quite good, he would gain top 10 rank using his normal play, just it would take a bit longer time.
But people should learn to be patient rather than cheat :) If a good player who would also belong to top 10 would constantly play against "the weakest in the chain", he would get there much harder. If he would see that player as marked a cheater, he can choose whether he want to challenge the main account of the cheater, whether he doesnt want to play cheaters at all, or whether he just loves the game and doesnt bother about ratings so he plays the weakest in the chain and is happy

hehe, looks like I like to use the word just (or like :) ) and sorry about this little messages package, didnt want to spam the board, but this is really an important point in brainking features IMHO.

OK ..
point taken...
People in the top 10 then should be obliged to accept challenges from say the top 20... (like a ladder) then they will have to earn their places or have their BKR capped...

The same problem existed to an exaggerated extent at Netchess. It did in effect do some harm as one was constantly being paired up with unsuitably weak opponents who had boosted their ratings. If the ratings have no meaning they may as well be done away with altogether.

now it sounds really cool :) just imagine this feature:
Such players would be just marked as cheaters in database.
Then there would be just as a default filter
Show Cheaters: off

If someone or themselves desperately needs to see them, (s)he can turn it on :)

NoHold: nice point :) But what if someone gets a bad feeling in result instead. For example, P257 used to see nice #1 in his profile/main page, played lots of games, put lots of effort there, and suddenly there is a #3 instead, with #1 joking and #2 blade2004 :)) Thats why at least invisibility is requested :)))

Therefore an human observer is needed who can judge such cases whether its cheating or not.
And public can observe, and when someone is suspicious, the case is just forwarded to the responsible person in staff.

Like I said, as soon as they dont play toghether frequently and clearly letting the other one win, this is no danger. Perhaps they can play at home
together as well :)

About the IP changing I wrote before, like I said, they will never get the feeling they are really great players if they will need to be cautious and always ensure themselves this way how poor they in fact are :-)

They only cheat themselves.... It is not illegal since they gain no advantage.

A high BKR earns nothing, no cash and only respect if they can back it up byt beating you.

There are some people who while not going to those lengths nurse their BKR.

Let them... they do no harm and if it makes them feel better .. fine...

The trouble of monitoring things like that is that anyone that knows enough about computers and systems can change IP address's so it is not very easy at all. Fencer has found a few though. Then of course there is also that more than one person in a house could be signed up for BrainKing or they could be using a public computer.

Couldn't a feature be added whereby all accounts stemming from the same source appear parenthetical to any account being viewed?

Perhaps someone from the staff should be watching such abuses. Plain multiples arent that bad thing, but if someone uses them to spam boards (sorry Dano) or creating artificial ratings (Joking or someone in chess mentioned earlier), they should be coped with.

As their opponent I would probably resign games with them and add them to my noplay (enemies?) list, perhaps an invisible list would be even better, for such bloody cheaters dont distract me in rating lists :-).

And I am sorry I brought it up so close to Christmas. Merry Christmas to everybody!

<What do you think about players like joking, who are artificially creating high ratings using multiple accounts? This one is a special case though, because he is also a pretty good player (five in line).
But what he does really [edited] more and more. Just look at it: there were created accounts like renjuplayer, niicegiirll; perhaps others used to collect rating points from various opponents, and transferring rating renjuplayer -> niicegiirll occassionally. Then there were created target accounts like joking and blade2004.
Those pick mostly weaker opponents or opponents tested before and again transfer rating renjuplayer, niicegiirll -> joking, blade2004.
I think their rating should be reset and they should be allowed to gain it by fair play rather.
Of course, this is perhaps thought for a start, perhaps he plans to play strong opponents further and this he only uses to get good starting position.

If you dont believe, just watch their game times when they "played together".
And watch their login times by adding them to friends or looking to database.
As most of the accounts log in pretty close together, its pretty clear to see.
Measures to prevent such cheating behaviour are hard to create...
Perhaps players with same IP address shouldnt be allowed to play together.
Of course IP can be framed, but at least they will see they need to put more effort
into it, and they will never forget they are really cheating.
Or people should report such abuses when they spot it, and warn opponents of such
players they are only helping someone to create rating base.

Such behaviour might cause some players to lose appetite of playing.

Excuse, if I cause some bad atmosphere but I cannot keep it for myself any longer.

have searched the entire membership, all 8950 of us :) for Australians, Kiwis, Poms (all varieties) hehehe and have sent invites to the fellowship for all of us Prisoners and ex-prisoners...If i have missed anybody please just ask to be invited :)
Sorry Harley, I didnt know where to post this :)

Harley and Ughaibu :)
Harley your idea was good but it doesnt have flags next to names :(

Ughaibu your idea was brilliant
http://brainking.com/game/PlayerList?bms=50&a=ap
and i changed it to
http://brainking.com/game/PlayerList?bms=2500&a=ap

voila.....page 51....thanks so much :)

Try www.translator.cz.

Or try me...;-)

Bwild has been in the BK wine cellar ;oÞ

ooopps...billion dollar baby

"rats in battalions..clogging up the mainstream" ;)

don't seem to have a lot of takers for this question rose. but i remember when i was at school i found out that "cerny sabat" was czech for "black sabbath". that's all i really needed to know at the time.

took me an hour to get on this morning...but seems fully functional now..

i repetitively keep geting the "server not found" message a lot in this site. can someone help me?

we've been scanned!! LOL;þ

major problems in the last hour.. but all back to how it should be again now :)))

there's always one LMAO

No probs for me this morning :-) I came here around 9:30AM - but hope the probs for others will resolve soon :-)

yepp, its been difficult getting around here today

I'm having a lot of trouble too with server not found pages, and pages not loading in properly.

Who cut the lights out.My background is very dark.I'm having trouble moving around.hehe

I am getting server not found pages :o( if its just me ignore, if others too, this will let Fencer know

I am also preparing a new way of searching, there is still one unused menu item in the left column :-)

100degF, I found a great way of finding paying members is through the 'most active player' list on your main page. Where it says who the most active player is, next to their name will say (more). Click on that and you get a list of every member who made a move yesterday! :oD