I'd like to see 'Preference' at Brainking

MadMonkey: it's also peoples choice to end their lives jumping from a skyscraper but my choice is to say it doesn't make sense ... while living 4 years in Austria I used to buy one schinken semmel
and it was delicious ... there was no other choice (for what?) ... here in the USA I have 30 choices at Subway and do you think I feel better ? If you do, it means you never tried european bread and ham ...
I hope I expressed well what's on my mind ...
Andy.

All i will say on the matter is i play both on line, Poker (and many others) in real time, and also (as mentioned before) Cribbage & Canasta on BugCafe and i am quite happy with both, after all it is a persons choice to except the rules of the game when they sign up.

Its quite simple, like any game, if you do not like it do not play it, but give people a choice.

KnightFighter: LOL. Whatever. The whole "turn based" part of the argument is inconsequential however since it (again) is not going to be turn based in the traditional sense.

rod03801: ok, we agree and now we cab stop this discussion .. this is what I really wanted to hear from you.
thanks,
Andy.

KnightFighter: I agree. I am a card lover. I do not like the idea of making notes in a card game. It takes away a big part of what the game is all about it.

I again remind you of this post however : Opinion polls (Fencer, 2008-11-07 07:50:09)
It is not going to be turn based.

rod03801: You said: "I have agreed with you that a vast majority of card games would not work out here."
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And I am talking about vast majority not about table-top-implementations of card games ... which in a sense are table or board games using cards to "move around" ... if you want to treat seriously card games in turn-based site you better be prepared to open your notebook and make notes ... otherwise, it will be just discarding and drawing without any sense ... if majority like this kind of nonsense, that's fine. I am warning only of awaiting us disappointments.
Andy.

KnightFighter: I really do understand, Andy. But, if you read the news, he has already been working on this. Adding a new game type to this site (especially this type) does not make it "cookie-cutter". (It is rare to see this game type on a site of this sort). Adding this new game type does not change what is already here and gives this great site its personality.

Who said we can't live without it? It is Fencer's site, and he has already decided to do it. Most other people seem happy with this idea, why rain on their parade? If it doesn't work out, then it doesn't work out. It wouldn't be the first game that was added that probably didn't work out quite the way it was hoped it would.

I have agreed with you that a vast majority of card games would not work out here. However, that shouldn't stop the very few that would, from being here. And as Fencer said, the new game is not going to be the traditional turn-based type. If anything, this could be the start of a "new generation" of game types/play on this site. It's pretty exciting.

and nothing to do with card games but i still love to see a new battleboat variety on here

rod03801: someone has to "manufacture" a software for this new trend ... stop making this impression that this is something what we cannot live without and push Fencer to follow the crowd ... there are many gaming sites that are from the same candy-like factory ... I never stay long there, just register, look around and leave ... you know why ? because they do not have a soul, they are the same product like mac, burger king and cheap disney ...
Andy.

KnightFighter: Then don't play them, and let those that want to play them do that.

SEAWOLF2: You are wrong. Here are your words:
"AS WITH ANY CARD GAMES TRYING
TO REMEMBER DISCARDED CARDS
AND SUCH IS EASIER IN REAL TIME PLAY AS OPPOSED TO THE TURN-BASED STYLE. "
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it's harder to remember and this is what makes card masters and the crowd ... in turn-based card games it's impossible to remember discards when you make a break, even 1 hour, not even mention days or weeks ...
and this is the way you make remembering easier, but this is cheating not remembering ...
If you want to remember you HAVE to make notes and this feature creates different kind of game ... it's no longer card game we know and enjoy ... true card players will never accept turn-based system ... of course, you make available, but this is like warming up ice cream in microwave ... it's possible but it makes no sense ...
Andy.

I RECENTLY REPLIED TO THE POLL AND WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN CRIBBAGE AND WHIST MAKE THE SURVERY LIST.

WHILE CARD GAMES USUALLY ARE FASTER MOVING (REAL TIME) IN NATURE AS A RULE, THAT DOES NOT PRECLUDE THEM FROM BEING
PLAYED AS TURN-BASED GAMES.
OTHER WEBSITES HAVE WORKED IT OUT FAIRLY WELL ACTUALLY.

MY CONCERN IS WHETHER THESE
GAMES WILL ALSO WORK AS WELL FOR WEBTV-ER'S AS THEY DO FOR
THOSE ON PC. THEREIN LIES THE
RUB! I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL THE GAME SITES, BUT BUG CAFE HAS FIGURED OUT A WORK AROUND FOR
US WEBTV-ER'S FOR BOTH CANASTA
AND CRIBBAGE.

ANOTHER ISSUE IS GAMES THAT ARE PLAYED BY MORE THAN TWO
PLAYERS. IF ONE PERSON DOESN'T
TAKE THEIR TURN IN A TIMELY FASHION IT WILL DELAY THE GAME AND RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE. BUT
THAT IS TRUE OF ANY GAME.

THE CANASTA GAME AT BUG CAFE COULD USE A LITTLE BIT MORE
TWEAKING AT TIMES, BUT THE
CRIBBAGE GAME SEEMS TO PLAY
OUT VERY WELL.

AS WITH ANY CARD GAMES TRYING
TO REMEMBER DISCARDED CARDS
AND SUCH IS EASIER IN REAL TIME PLAY AS OPPOSED TO THE
TURN-BASED STYLE. BUT IT'S A
SMALL PRICE TO PAY IN ORDER TO GET SOME POPULAR CARD GAMES
ONLINE. I'M ALL FOR IT AND
HOPE FENCER AGREES THAT IT'S
WORTH THE TIME AND EFFORT TO
BRING SOME CARD GAMES HERE TO
BRAINKING.

GO FOR IT, FENCER!!

coan.net: yes I did--- sorry, actually I think I got some user names mixed up, I've corrected my comment ,

Brag88: Opps, you got some comments confused - I'm all for turn-based card games. I've seen them work on other sites, and with a little planning for each (for unique situations like how to deal with timed out players who's cards in hand effect others) - I'm all for having turn-based card games on this site.

MadMonkey: Sorry I missed that, I have a game of Canasta going at BugCafe, I'm yet to get a Cribbage game set up, mainly because this is a game I`m still learning and retarded at. My User name there is Brag88 , open to invites.

Brag88: Thanks for mentioning Dominoes. A great turn-based game that should not be too hard to implement and would be very popular

As i mentioned below, i play Canasta & Cribbage on BugCafe, and they work pretty well

After a little bit of internet searching I have found the other turn based sites coan.net indicates, one which has Rummy or what I would call Rummy tiles played with 106 cards or tiles (2 jokers) this is implemented well and another which offers Canasta and Cribbage which I have not yet played.

And there is another with Dominoe games which are often played faster than card games .

Also backgammon is played very fast , and that is popular now on turn based sites.


It is a pity that a turn based card game will not be put on this site, despite KnightFighters objections I would be interested in playing

coan.net: it's ok, but correspondence way of playing started with chess, which was quite obvious choice ... other board games joined the whole story ... and it's still ok ... card games by their very nature are played fast ,,, there is not even one card game that uses time control of any kind ... I hope you got the point ... but, you are right, let's stop this stupid discussion.
Regards,
Andy.

KnightFighter: Every argument you made can be used for just about any games on this site.

people complain that people are not moving - or not moving pieces which do anything - waiting 2 months to click on the game to move a piece.

Playing chess over the board, you don't suppose to get outside support, but on a turn-based game system this is possible - It still is cheating.... just as it would be in a card game, but it's an argument which is already here and nothing new that is unique with a possible turn-based card game.

I agree that some card games would be tricky to put into a turn-based game site, but with some good planning, it can work (and for some games, already works on other sites).

Again, kind of a mute discussion since this is not what is being put on this site.

coan.net: I am just expressing my opinion the same way that supporters of turn based card games do ... there is one big difference though ... I gave a big deal of thought to this subject and the rest just want to see cards on the screen thinking everything will be all right ... It won't be and I know after a while the new wave of criticism will flow into discussion boards ... too long vaccations, hey, "he is not discarding", "she is not melding", hey, I am waiting 2 months for stupid click on the deck and so on and on ... beside this turn based card games create a whole new breed of games ... why ? it's simple ... you are not allowed at the Gin table to make any notes, to use any tools to help you ... playing on-line in turn base system you basically are allowed to cheat ... this is not card game anymore, this is cheating ... I am analysing and creating games for years and know what kind of dynamics resides in particular genre ...
Andy.

KnightFighter: You are right - some people would not like playing certain games in a turn based environment - Just like you are put off by turn-based card games, some backgammon players are put off by turn-based backgammon games.

Great thing is - You are free to choose which games you want to play and not want to play. So (just a suggestion) - instead of trying to convince everyone else why you would not like turn-based card games, why not just accept that some will like to play that way and some will not.

(And it sounds like Fencer is not making it turn-based, so sounds like what he is working on might be perfect for what you like!)

KnightFighter: your true in a sence but we have allready a game or games we make notes like
Espionage where you make notes on squares value and position before it disapears back to a question mark

ScorpionOct64: No, marking cards already discovered would spoil the whole idea of this game ...

what about concentration....could be a turn based game...you could also make in game notes on cards allready showen and turned back over

Table Top Cribbage ... this the only card game that I can see played on a turn base site ... Poker can also be played this way on a 5x5 board ... please read a link to Table Top Cribbage.
http://www.pagat.com/domino/ttcrib.html

Hi, I am a certified cribbage judge at American Cribbage Congress and play cribbage in a league.
Interesting thing about cribbage is that this game unlike any other card games do not require players to use their memory ... it's a very fast game and it takes around 20 minutes to get to 121 point on a board ... it's basically a racing game ... i was trying to imagine how to play it on turn based site ... ok, I sit by the table with my son, we cut, deal and discard ... now, my son says, ok, see ya tomorrow, I am takin vacations ... tomorrow he comes, plays a 7, I play 8 making two points for 15 and my son says, see ya in one hour ... after he comes, playes 6 and scores 3 points for a run a I say, I have to go to work, see ya after dinner ...
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my question is : do you want to play such a game ?
it just doesn't make sense ... I love cribbage but this is not chess to meditate hours na hours on the next move ...
Andy.

Yes Cribbage has got to be the best in my opinion for a turn based game

Why is Cribbage not on list, I love that game

Fencer: Neat!

So, wow, that's even MORE exciting! Do you have plans of multiple types of card games then, at some point? I love cards!!! I can't wait!

WebTV fully implementing JavaScript specification is not only unlikely, but also I believe impossible. lol. I'm surprised anyone still uses that device. I did for many years, but would never go back to it, now. It just hasn't kept up with the times. It was a good thing 10 years ago. I try to talk people into switching from WebTV to computer quite a bit now.

rod03801: It won't be a turn based game. It also means that it won't work on WebTV and similar devices, unless they fully implement JavaScript specification (which is very unlikely).

KnightFighter: I'm not fooling myself. I have been part of turn based sites for many years now, as I'm sure you probably have too. I have also been playing card games practically my whole life, and am quite aware of the limitations. Yes, a huge majority of card games would not work. (At least not in a "satisfying" way)

My point was that no one needs to "wake up". Fencer has already said a card game is coming.

There is already at least one turn based site that successfully has card games, as well.

rod03801: card games are closed games and they relay on memory and rapid respose ... after few days of waiting for a discard or bet from opponent the whole beauty of card game is gone ... do not fool yourself ... by looking at the discards you get idea and plan for your game ... if you won't make notes you will forget what you had in mind ... it doesn't make sense,
in chess and any board game it's fine to waitfor opponent's move but not in a card game ... in a board game nothing is missing, everything is in front of your eyes, today and in two years from today... card games are different spieces ... differentr dynamics.
Andy.

KnightFighter: why do we have to wake up? Fencer has already said he is working on a card game. And as has been stated, another turn based site has card games.

Nirvana: I have many games of both running, and i think they work well turn-based as long as they are coded properly. Its good on BugCafe as in Tournaments there they have a maximum of 3 days per move, no vacations, so you get no problems of never ending Tournaments

MadMonkey: are both good

KnightFighter: I think some card games would be hard to play on a turned based game site, but for example

Black Jack - it would be easy to hit/double/split - have up to 10 other "real" players playing - then after all 10 make their move (within the time limit) - the "dealer"/computer plays against the ones who did not bust. [Each person starts with a set amount of coins - out of coins, lose - or possible play a set number of rounds with the person with the most at the last round wins.]

Texas Hold 'em, Poker - Just go around - not too many notes would be needed.

Rummy - simple enough, no notes would be needed.

Some others might be a little more difficult, but possible some small "tweaks" to the rules where players play against the "house/computer" instead of against other live people could work for some games.

For games where what the other player has in their hands can effect others, figuring out how to handle time outs will take a little planning.

guys,wake up !!!! Cards by their nature belong to closed games category ... you would have to make notes basically after each move ... after one week waiting for opponents discard you will be sick and tired of the game ... wake up !!!
Andy.

rod03801: I play cribbage at BugCafe (and Canasta lol) , they are both fine for a turn based site

Snoopy: I learned that game many years ago while working as an extra for "The Babe" movie........ our friends use to play it all the time, but not anymore... they didn't like playing with me because I would figure out what my next 10 turns were - and I would make sure 100% sure that as I started running low on cards, I would always have the cards that I needed.......... they never liked to think that far ahead and we started playing uno all the time instead.

Five Crowns looks interesting since it used a different type of deck - http://www.setgame.com/fivecrowns/index.html & http://www.areyougame.com/interact/item.asp?itemno=SET4001 (in case anyone else wants quick links to a descriptions)

I haven't thought too deeply about if it will work on a turn based site, but Cribbage might work. And of course it's sort of a card game AND a board game. (In a way)

Hi, how about a game called Five Crowns?  Only discovered it myself a few weeks ago, my new partner plays it at work a lot.  Great game, even my seven year old can play this one, and has beat me several times!

Jo

coan.net: You left out the best one of all time............................ O.K. its not a normal pack of cards, BUT it is the AWESOME game that is called................

PackRat

Well, that is where many of us spend our time now...

I have mentioned it to Fencer, it he said it would be an idea for the future

Looking at the latest site Poll sums up exactly how BrainKing is for me now.
Some times it seems to just virtually stop, and all i get on the task bar is waiting for brainking.com and then half an hour later it seems to fly along again
So what does one vote for hmmmmmmm

Vikings: Unless maybe wetware was not specific enough and he was referring to ponds where we do not have the ability to do anything other than make those ranges a request in the description or the title.

wetware: if entrants do not fit the BKR range one of two things has happened, first the creator may not have set the tournament up correctly to not allow outside ratings to enter. secondly, players may have fit the BKR requirements when they signed up but lost or won games to move them out of that range between the time of sign up and the start of the tournament

In the "What feature would you most like to see on BrainKing?" poll, I'd have liked to be able to choose this:

Enable some means for either Brainking or a tournament creator to enforce the ratings range that is specified when one creates a tournament.

I've seen tournament entrants that did not meet the minimum.  If that's allowed, let's not bother specifying a range or else make it clear that ranges are merely suggestions or requests to tournament entrants...which might not be honored or noticed by those signing up.

nodnarbo: Yea, I don't think it's a good idea to be able to edit a poll after it is up.... just for those reasons you mention...... it was most of a "joke" as another request to be able to do that..... but yea, probable not a good idea and if I had missed an option that I felt was very important, I would have just ended the poll and started a new one.

coan.net: I would think you would have to be careful with adding another option as it may get less voes only because it was not there when the first people voted. I would suggest doing one or both of the following (if this is even ever implemented):

1. send a message to everyone already voted to inform them of the new option.
2. mark the added option so everyone knows it was not there originally when viewing the results.