(V): apart from the 1 min video what other evidence have you for such claims
NONE whats so ever

(V): and has i said on the first day when the inquiry has finished i make my mind up
i dont like ppl who speculate on something they really know nothing about

Bernice: still all speculation

has ive said since DAY 1 until all the facts are known before making a judgement

Jules wasnt there on that day so how can he possible know all the facts
there are hundreds of questions that need answering and until they are
Jules can only speculate that said policeoffericer should be charged with manslaughter

Artful Dodger: at last someone else sees what i see
2 sides to the story

until all the evidence is laid out before the public i dont see how anyone can say this police officer should be charged with anything
he was doing his job in a very heated situtation
there was alot of anger on both sides of the coin that day
and until we know what was said by both parties
how can we possible know who was in the wrong

(V): has the whole scene was very heated AND I SAY AGAIN WITHOUT ANY SOUND
WE DONT KNOW WHAT WAS SAID!!!!

in these trouble times they could well of thought he was a sudice bomber for all we know
so in that context they should take him out in whatever way possible

(V): whatever
i dont have time to go back to each post that you posted
ive got a life to get on with and a farm that needs the crops harvesting

(V): and has i said on many occasions and i say it again
you twist things round to suit yourself

(V): because it shows where your contridicting yourself now

(V): no it isnt
but you only have to go back and read all your posts in April on this subject to see
simple really

Czuch: whats the point in arguing with Jules
cause whatever one says he twists it round to suit himself has per normal

(V): and here we are nearly 9 months down the line and
still nothing new to report
but i will say if it was has straight forward has you claimed on that day
surely the policeman invovled would of been charged by now
instead we have nothing so has i said in the start lets wait until the enquiry has finished

Artful Dodger: thats exactly what i was trying to tell V that day
wait and see we dont know all the facts
but if i remember correctly he kept putting me down saying the video evidence is fact enough

(V): yep we wait and wait and still get it so wrong

this case will always spring to mind

Jean Charles de Menezes

Tuesday: no you missed the point others where making

Tuesday: did man create smallpox?

Bernice: love it

(V): And after WWII the Empire became the Commonwealth. Gurkha's still join the British army and fight side by side with British born soldiers, and more recently won the right to remain in the UK after retirement thanks to a campaign by UK citizens which forced the government to give in despite the cost

it was Joanna Lumley that made that happen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/gurkhas-joanna-lumley-phil-woolas

and cost shouldn't come into it
many Gurkha's have laid down there lives to fight for our country so the least we can do is let them live here if they so wish without thinking about money

(V): whatever you say must be right
you twist things round to suit yourself has per normal

all im saying is in 2017 if the BBC has to show adverts to survive i be the happiest person in the UK
but you want to bring everything else into the conversation and twist it to make you look good
well i dont have time to argue with you so Good Night

(V): Right.. so while footballers are ripping off people and clubs thanks to 'Sky sports', Murdoch wants to charge for access to Murdoch group websites.. like news.

i couldnt care less what footballers get paid
why bring that up
what has it got to do with over paid actors such has Ross

and i OBJECT to my hard earned money going towards giving him a life of luxury

(V): i think you find your just one of a few these days

the sooner the BBC and the government realise that ppl will not be ripped off any more the better

i could only ever agree to a tv licence in any shape or form when they stop paying the outragous wages to these wanabe stars ie: Johnathon Ross and all the soap stars

cant wait for 2017 to come and have them kick it into touch once and for all

(V): Some may not like the BBC and it's license fee, but it's a neutral company by it's charter. The fee pays for countless free local radio stations as well as TV without advertising. Nothing Murdoch owns can be said to be the same.

its outdated in this day and age
the BBC should do what the other stations do and allow adverts to make there money

its stupid even ppl who dont have a television installed but have a computer still have to pay it

i did read somewhere but cant find the link now that the government have to wait until 2017 until the BBC charter is up for renewal before they can make any changes

Bernice: we pay £142 50p a year for a tv licence which every household must have or get taken to court
this funds the BBC
its very unpopular these days cause simply its outdated

Artful Dodger: when it was first mentioned that he would appear i was gob smacked that a tv station
i have to pay a licence fee for was allowing him on

but after watching it and esp how the rest of the panel shot him down made him look small made my day

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/10/25/the-nasty-nick-show-why-we-needed-it-115875-21771418/

(V): Afterwards he complained that he had been treated unfairly saying much of the show had been a "beat up Nick Griffin programme instead of Question Time".

i must of been watching a different program then

(V): the guy is a real joke
enough said

(V): just has the labour government did nothing to fix the problems she created
which brings everything nicely back to AD's post which was
Frankly, it sounds like both our governments are a bunch nitwits when it comes to financial matters.

okay had my say now back to what im really here for to play games


PS I don't know where you see this happening very rarely, and 2) how do you know they didn't buy this stuff before losing a job? 3) how do you know if they are single?
thats easy to answer known most of them since birth known there parents before them etc etc
dont have to be brain of Britain to know they just a bunch of layabouts who abuse the system year in year out

(V): here we go again blame it all on Maggie despite the fact that the labour government before her had the country on its knees

(V): but thats was the whole idea of the dole system surely was to tie ppl over until they found another job
it was never meant to gave ppl luxury items like it does now

if the money is so low for single ppl how come you never or very rarely see these ppl without the latest designer gear pulling up to the signing on offices in there cars
all with there mobile phones

heres a case in point few years ago i had to go my local social security office to sort things out after my mother died
and a girl in there was bragging that she come in for a crisis loan and she said they couldnt refuse her has she had children despite the fact that on every finger where gold rings and she actually reported the guy behind the desk
when he quite natually pointed out why didnt she sell some of her gold if she was that hard up

its not actually the system i object to
its the abuse of the system thats carried out on such a massive scale
there will always be ppl in genuine need

(V): yeah ive heard about these so called schemes
they attend for allotted time
fill in a few forms do a CV knowning full well that at the end of the day they not going to find work and so its back to the life of Riley on the dole

if there money was cut everytime they attended one of these so called schemes they just might get the message
GET OF YOUR LAZY BUTT AND FIND WORK

(V): thats my point its good to give to those ppl who are in the low paid jobs
ive nothing against that one lil bit
but im talking about giving to those who live there whole working lives on the dole

and how are ppl on these benifits able to afford internet access anyway ?

(V) your missing my point again

they would be able to buy there children computers and whatever else if they went out and found work

and dont tell me there isnt the jobs available cause there is if they look hard enough
they prefer to drink there beers take there drugs and get everything handed to them on a plate
and why should any decent hard working person have to pay for someone else child to have the same has theyve had to work hard for

(V): well Maggie will always be a hero in my eyes

and i loved hearing the mother of one of the many killed in the Iraq war ask whether Tony Blair is to be charged with war crimes

Tony Blair was nothing more than George Bush puppet

Bernice: to let every child in the country internet access by giving parents vouchers to buy computers

ive never heard anything more stupid its so open to abuse its a joke
they just get the vouchers buy the computer and sell it the same day

not to mention the fact that if they got off there lazy asses and when and got a job
they be able to buy there children these things

(V): no no no
the mess isnt caused by Maggie

she didnt decide to spend us out of a recession
she didnt decide to send us into 2 wars that had nothing to do with us
she was the one who infact cleaned up the mess after THE LAST LABOUR GOVERNMENT

i love to see one of the government ministers challenged to take up a job where the take home pay is coppers more than what benifits pay out

i love to see one of them come to live on any of the hundreds of estates that are no go areas after dark because of fear of being murdered cause you didnt give the hooded gangs a ciggie when they demanded it

i love to see a top goverment minister have to walk thou the crack and heroin addicts just to get home

but it will never happen they live in there own lil worlds and dream there own lil dreams

(V): in my mind the country is in a right mess brought on by nearly 10 years of a labour government

the country is in serious debt which every man woman and child will be paying for
for the next 30 years

we were taken into 2 wars that the vast majority of the UK ppl didnt want and we dont even equip our troops properly
for the last few years weve been led by a joker who wasnt even elected
we have elected members of the house of commons ripping us off left right and centre
we are on our knees and then the government comes up with this stupid idea to sell off things

but the sad thing is the conservatives will not do any better

(V): so much for our idiot prime minister trying to buy us out of recession

its one law for the already haves and another law for the have nots
and this woman created the law she broke

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8268101.stm

(V): but sadly the ones who do the donkey work IE: the nurses get a pittance

(V): mmmm maybe its not a national disgrace in your eyes but in mine it is

(V): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8223710.stm


im guessing this where you took your info from
its a national disgrace

Czuch: its happening more and more
we have an acute shortage of midwives all over the country
its yet another disgraceful aspect to our health service

Bernice: makes me wonder sometimes to..lol

but Jules lives in the rich South
while us poor Northerns are the poor relations

my next door neighbour husband died a couple of months ago on route to hospital in an ambulance
the ambulance driver decided en route that he was fed up of doing over time so he went by ambulance depot and clocked off still with patient on board
so there was a delay of over 7 mins whilst the shift change took place and reaching the hospital hence the patient on board died
he may of course have died anyway we will never know for sure but my point is from the top notch doctors to the cleaners of the hospitals
are overworked poorly paid and thousands leave every year to work in the private sector


http://ts18.gazettelive.co.uk/2009/06/medics-speak-out-over-colleagues-detour.html

Bernice: i agree with you on this being from the UK
there are many many things wrong with the health service here
first off the nurses are very underpaid
we still have very long waiting lists
hospitals are not clean
they should bring back the Matron IMO
doctors are strenched to the limit

when i was in hospital last year i went to the bathroom and the toilet seat was filthy
i asked the cleaner who was dishing out the mid morning cuppa to sort it out only to told that it wasnt her job on that day
and it would have to wait until the night cleaners came on shift
another 8 hours away

(V): it may be not acceptable but it still goes on

children can be very cruel to each other esp now we live in the must be better than the Jones age

(V): i remember being in a room on pogo.com on Christmas day and being told off by someone for wishing everyone in the room a Happy Christmas
it wasn't ethical to do that anymore i was told

(V): the world has gone crazy