Artful Dodger: Is that a reason to stop building more green energy supply systems... no.

At the moment we cannot supply the entire world. But some countries like Iceland have tapped into natural renewable energy.

"Five major geothermal power plants exist in Iceland, which produce approximately 26.2% (2010)[1] of the nation's energy. In addition, geothermal heating meets the heating and hot water requirements of approximately 87% of all buildings in Iceland. Apart from geothermal energy, 73.8% of the nation’s electricity was generated by hydro power, and 0.1% from fossil fuels."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_power_in_Iceland

Is that an isolated example, or just a country willing to use 'free' energy.

"In the meantime, we need to drill, drill, drill"

And when the price goes through the roof, what then? A Mad Max type scenerio!!

"I'll bet good money you use fossil fuels all the time."

..because we are still reliant on power plants built decades ago, and still in the process of building green systems. But there are (I've just read) some suppliers in the UK who invest the profits into more green energy. One supplier states that at the present over 50% of the energy they supply comes from green sources. That is a big difference compared to the big 6 energy companies in the UK, who's reputation at the moment is very bad.

After looking at the differences between them and the big 6.. it looks like a good deal. Even better then the non profit company we currently use.

Jack: Which is probably more due to all the nuclear weapons testing. The contaminants from those far outweigh all the radiation leaks that have occurred.

... over 2000 atomic and hydrogen bomb tests.

"what lengths they will go to to buy off nuclear inspectors"

Then that is a problem of human corruption. Just as much as the BP oil spill.

"winter disaster being suffered by Europe this year"

??? All I can say on that is compared to last year in the UK, this winter has been mild.

Artful Dodger: Oh yes there is. Wind, wave, solar, geothermal and now magnetic power amplifiers that produce more energy than inputted. The main problems seem to be the old companies being unwilling to give up their market share of the energy business and therefore creating alot of misinformation.

"Fossil fuels can be harvested efficiently and cleanly."

Most aren't though are they.


"Less than a week ago 106 mostly Conservative MPs wrote to the Prime Minister, urging cuts in public subsidies to UK windfarms, on the grounds that these towering turbines were neither efficient to run nor pleasing on the eye."

NIMBY's aka Not In My Back Yard. The conservatives are probably being pressed by those who are looking more out for their house prices than anything else.

eg..
"In the affluent English village of Ashtead, Surrey, which lies on the outside of London, residents objected in 2007[13] to the conversion of a large, £1.7 million residential property into a family support centre for relatives of wounded British service personnel. The house was to be purchased by a registered charity, SSAFA Forces Help.[14][15][16] Local residents objected to the proposal out of fear of increased traffic and noise, as well as the possibility of an increased threat of terrorism. They also contended that the SSAFA charity is actually a business, thereby setting an unwelcome precedent.[17] Local newspapers ran articles titled "Nimby neighbours' war with wounded soldiers' families" and "No Heroes in my Backyard.""

Jack: Yes they are, just like every other European country. It's part of a concertive effort all within the EU to cut down on our dependence on fossil fuels and nuclear.

"This is not true radiation is nothing like these things. "

Toxicology wise, I believe it is true. If a tanker leaks it's crude oil into the environment it's effects can last for years or decades. Millions of gallons of escaped oil can create kill zones where nothing can live.

"Radiation cannot be recovered"

Yes it can, such efforts have been going on near the windscale nuclear plant for years.

Artful Dodger: Clean fossil fuel power plants?

"are both affordable and efficient."

Renewable is. You guys in the USA have so much untapped power. Solar especially, California sits on a goldmine of geothermal.

Jack: Until we develop and install green energy sources.. we need current tech. There are pro's and con's with fossil and Nuclear. N' corruption seems at the moment to be higher in the fossil fuel business.

"like I said we cannot even handle the nuclear waste we have built up so far and we want to create more."

Yes we can... it is buried underground. Same as the way to deal with fossil fuel plant emissions of CO2 and actually make it 'clean'.

"I would like to see anyone prove the Japanese nuclear disaster does not have a negative impact on the world and it's food supply as well as the near future deaths it has and will cause as well as many birth defects."

It's a disaster, just like with a plane crashing, oil tanker/field leak. Compared to Chernobyl, or the 'accidents' elsewhere it's no way near the scale.

Jack: There is always present the natural background radiation. This is a low level field that we are use to and some suspect helps stimulate the immune system. Studies on people who live in areas with 4x the natural do not show extra related deaths.

Nuclear energy leaves much to be desired. While it is relatively clean, the waste does need burying in deep mines in special containers for a long long time.

At the moment we need a mix of energy supplies to be realistic. More green definitely, but until we have battery systems that can store green energy at a sufficient level, we need other sources.

Jack: Radiation is a tricky one, depends on what type (alpha/beta,etc) and what isotopes.

Übergeek 바둑이: I'm just waiting for him like the founder of the Mormon religion to find some golden tablets.

"he probably thinks that at some point he will recover his TV show as people forget some of the stupid things he has done in the past."

Will the 400+ advertisers that boycotted his program forget.

Jack: Our gov experimented with Anthrax on a little island off Scotland during WWII... In case the Germans went onto using chemical/biological weapons.

The island is still unsafe for human habitation, with any still remaining anthrax spores possibly active for 100's of years. It has been officially cleared as 'safe' after decontamination and the removal of topsoil. But people 'unofficially' consider it a place to avoid.

Jack: Reminds me of one little point about Von Braun... Before he was head hunted by the USA (as he wanted to be).... he was designing the V series of weapons. The intent in the end was to build ICBM's (V10) capable of bombing the east coast of the USA with a warhead that would probably been of nerve gas, or if the tech came together... nuclear.

Never mind that his ideas killed 1000's of UK citizens or that he knew his weapons were being built by slave labour, of which 20,000 died from the hellish treatment he received.

Glenn Beck is extremely upset with how he is being treated by former colleagues at Fox News because of comments he made about Occupy Wall Street. Beck appeared on his old friend Bill O'Reilly's program last week (view clip) and expounded upon his theory that the protests are not an organic uprising of disenchanted Americans, but a global movement with Marxist roots led by several revolutionary groups like the Service Employees Union and Working Families. These revolutionary groups are funded by George Soros and the whole thing is being orchestrated by America's most famous community organiser, President Barack Obama. O'Reilly gave Beck's theory the benefit of the doubt, but Fox News ace reporter Geraldo Rivera, was less kind, saying Beck's words were "harsh at best, paranoid or delusional at worst". Beck did not take kindly to Geraldo's insulting dismissal of his theory and accused him, in turn, of being a sheep (view clip).

"... For anyone who's thinking about Occupy Wall Street and saying, "you know, they made a good point," we're going to do a little critical thinking today and one of them is this. When the lion lays down with the lamb, that's when Jesus comes. In the meantime, the lion eats the lamb. Another name for lamb? Sheep! Stop being sheep, America! Otherwise, he will eat you!...."

Did Glenn fall asleep to this movie??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STA0u6kQB4w&feature=related

Artful Dodger: Can't help seeing things you might not. Different education system. Different country... different history

Artful Dodger: ?? But... but, I thought game playing was part and parcel of this board.

But you are wrong to a degree.... Not just Bill

Artful Dodger: Did I say Bill.

Artful Dodger: Nope...... you just misread

Or having nothing to say but nothing so you just spin

* I said it was old school, eg NOTW.. Not that Murdoch is some strange UnDeAd creature living forever, or the mAsTeR from Dr Who.... going back and forth manipulating history!!

And when the Liberals come on that start saying things the presenters don't like... "Shut up" .. "cut the mike".

I've seen it

Artful Dodger: Nope. If you look back at the history of the now sacrificial lamb "News of The World" you'll find that much the same dating back 160 years.

Such like "the Sun", "the Daily Mail" have been doing similar for decades.

The info is from wikipedia.. duhhhhh

Artful Dodger: It's old school tabloid.

Artful Dodger:

From the beginning, FNC has placed heavy emphasis on visual presentation. Graphics were designed to be colorful and attention grabbing and to allow people to get the main points of what was being said even if they could not hear the host, through the use of on-screen text summarizing the position of the interviewer or speaker and "bullet points" when a host was giving commentary.

Fox News also created the "Fox News Alert," which interrupted regular programming when a breaking news story occurred.

To accelerate its adoption by cable companies, Fox News paid systems up to $11 per subscriber to distribute the channel.[16] This contrasted with the normal practice, in which cable operators paid stations carriage fees for the programming of channels.


...and again just watch the channel.

Jack: Ideally it would be nice if there was a cap on donations. Something they are looking into doing here in the UK to a degree. The idea that someone can and will spend $15 million on the campaigning in a single state is nuts!!

"McConnell said in a public speech the only goal the republicans have is to get rid of Obama and republican politically correct think this is good leadership."

It's crap. Yet the gravy train of lobbyist paid lunches, cars and jobs for life after office is one great big tank of swill for those who feed indiscriminately.

Artful Dodger: The evidence is clear.. just watch some Fox. Just like Fox paying networks to take up the broadcasting of their show is clear.. the accounts tell the story, being that they have to be published.


"Facts are stubborn things. But if you like straws please, continue to grasp. "

That Fox is the most distrusted channel... along with the surveys that show Fox news causes people to become more ignorant about the world.

.. or is that just religious led conservatism?

Jack: I know... That's why I found it rather hypocritical.

Bernice: Hey.. I'm not the one who posts twisted figures!!

Fox objecting to Obama using scripture in Tax cuts push.

.. Will they complain about Republicans using the Bible to validate their anti gay/pro life stances?

Übergeek 바둑이: We've got 13 news channels available, plus a few specialist (business/parliament) ...

Good to have a range.

The reporting on Fox is based upon brash headline style graphics and slogans. The same he used to help influence peoples opinions in the UK to get them to support whoever sucked upto him the most come election time.

Bernice: So the figures are usless and meaningless?

What was the point of putting them in an album and posting them then?

I know I C&P.. everyone does here. Art mainly

Artful Dodger: PBS is more trusted.

"As of January 2011, the Democratic Party-affiliated Public Policy Polling reports that Fox News Channel is the second-most trusted television news network in the country, with 42% of respondents reporting they trust the network, compared to other major news channels (behind PBS which stands at 50%, and ahead of NBC at 41%, CNN at 40%, CBS at 36%, and ABC at 35%). Simultaneously, Fox News Channel is also ranked the most distrusted news channel in the country, with 46% of respondents reporting they distrust the network (behind PBS at 30%, NBC at 41%, and CNN, CBS, and ABC each at 43%)."

"A leaked memo from Fox News vice president Bill Sammon to the News staff during the height of the debate over Health care reform in the United States has been cited as an example of the pro-Republican party bias of Fox News. His memo asked the staff to "use the term ‘government-run health insurance,’ or, when brevity is a concern, ‘government option,’ whenever possible." This memo was sent shortly after Republican pollster Frank Luntz advised Sean Hannity on his Fox show that: "If you call it a public option, the American people are split," he explained. "If you call it the government option, the public is overwhelmingly against it."[54]"

Bernice: Yes.. it doesn't collect moss. It's also at that size very hard to stop. One can re use phrases. Such as our politicians who went through a big phase of saying "real".

btw.. don't you check figures before using them? Seeing as you represented them as being meaningful and good.

rod03801: .. 2 seconds... How many did McCain say?

Bernice: And those kinda figures are what's bad in the world. Distorted snapshots for people who they hope have no memory or education.

Here, we get educated to know you just can't stop a rolling stone the size of a medium mountain.

Bernice: Oh no Obama is not Moses and can stop the momentum of a broken economy falling in 2 seconds flat. Especially with all those lobbyist groups saying "no no no"

Artful Dodger: Politics ((V), 2012-02-01 22:43:20)

Artful Dodger: But it is not one program.

Jack: We just lump them all into one. The BBC is a broadcaster, it has several channels showing different programs. Two, are aimed at news and politics with the news as well as opinion and interviews, ITV .. the same. C4 .. the same, Sky.... the same (Murdoch owned broadcaster) ... and we go on.

Sky, C4, BBC, ITV are all classed as broadcasters. Some use cable, some through fibre, some through satellite, some via aerial and then there is their internet sites, showing films, making films, new shows, news, cookery, and various repeats, series links, games, competitions, bingo (we are British!!), cleaning tips (how to make your own cleaners), consumer information, etc, etc, etc.

... But regardless of whether it is a subsidiary in name.. such as a builders I did the accounts for who had one central company and several subsidiary companies.. In the end. It all ends up one one central accounts report, as they are all owned by that one main business. This is law, legal, financial and 9 tenths... that is.. 9 tenths of the law is to do with property in it's various versions...eg fixed and liquid assets, depreciation, contracts, etc.

Also..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14030051


Hope it shows

Politics (Artful Dodger, 2012-02-01 05:35:32)

This in itself is wrong even if stiscking to Fox news. The others DO pull in millions.

No...

Politics (Artful Dodger, 2012-01-30 16:29:07)
Politics (Artful Dodger, 2012-01-31 16:15:30)
Politics (Artful Dodger, 2012-02-01 05:35:32)

Artful Dodger: You said Fox... you quoted a certain % of the population.

btw.. where was I baiting?

"FOX is the most popular cable network anywhere."

Fox news is just 3 million max at out 99 million viewers. So 96 million are watching other things.

It has created a niche as a conservative network per Murdoch's schemes.

Artful Dodger: Same company.

and what of the 5-17's and 50+ people.

Who hasn't seen a nice bit of sweets lined up at a till waiting for 2.4 children to get there.

.. Is Bill gates and the other 400 richest people (who earn as much as the bottom 50%) in the USA under 50?

Jack:

""The closure of a newspaper with a history of 160-some odd years history is something that is a grave thing and something that is a serious matter of regret for us, for the company. But much more serious than that is the seriousness of the violation of privacy, the hurt that certain individuals at the News of the World caused to the victims of illegal voicemail interceptions and their families. "

James Murdoch on the closing of the NOTW paper. His Dad states "It's just 1% of the NI empire", not institutional. But now the Sun, the Times, his use of papers as a system of controlling politicians.
... but the real reason for the closure was the advertisers deserting the paper like rats and a sinking ship. Like Glenn Beck it became toxic.

.. parad "If you are my friend, I will help you if you help me." .. thus the papers switched from supporting Labour and the Conservative party entirely based on what benefited Murdoch and his EmPiRe.

... though on a brighter note one tax cheat stated he did not intend to defraud the tax man... yet he had an offshore account in his dogs name, not his own.

.. The case is in court.

......Hislop is asked why Private Eye is not part of the Press Complaints Commission.

He says that ethics are "self-evident", adding: "contempt of court is illegal; phone tapping is illegal; police taking money is illegal … the fact these laws were not rigorously enforce is due the ... interaction of the police and News International."

.......Hislop is asked about the PCC.

He says the "Street of Shame" section is two pages criticising newspapers, so he doesn't have much confidence in a body on which a number of newspaper editors sit.

He admits it is "a bit embarrassing" that the only other major publisher who isn't in the PCC is Richard Desmond. Hislop also has an issue with the balance of editors on the PCC and "News International's influence" on the body.

.....Hislop says that the Murdoch family are "deeply embedded in our top class", a situation he says gave the News of the World "unbounded confidence to do as it liked".

If the prime minister appoints the former News of the World editor as his communications director, News International will think 'We are top of the pile, nothing can stop us.'

Artful Dodger: Because of American Idol? A Syco production!!

Well that format is going to last

.. Yet overall the data as listed says Fox is no. 2 losing out to CBS by 1.3 million last week

Bernice: To you.. but then as a viewing figure...

Jack: Yes.. but seeing as they often close ranks it's hard to prove.

It took the murder of Stephen Lawrence for it to become publicly acknowledge that the Metropolitan Police were institutionally racist.

To quote... "the collective failure of an organisation to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture or ethnic origin", which "can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes, and behaviour, which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness, and racist stereotyping, which disadvantages minority ethnic people"

Artful Dodger: Details are always important.

... Like that a similar UK system which uses 5,100 homes recording 30,000 devices, and also 53,000 questionnaires per year on a totally random basis. Yet they point out some items such as game consoles are not measured, which considering that you can just about watch anything now on them. Also the UK system gives a minute by minute account of what is watched

It again, is not "perfect", nice for you to stop saying "precise"

Btw.. it's not Fox, but the perversion of the company by Murdoch. We've seen these perversions of perfectly good media outlets just to make a buck. We've lost a paper with a long history thanks to him.

Another detail with your no. 1 theory.. If we say Fox is the only conservative outfit.. as you do say ... then if all the liberal networks are counted as one (seeing as that means there is more competition in the liberal news market) .. then the liberal news viewer figures are generally higher than the conservative viewer figures. Your mate Bill beats all the other networks in total btw (re Jan 30th data)

... yet for the average number of viewers ... CBS beats Fox by over 1.3 million (re Jan 29th data)

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/01/31/fox-tops-adults-18-49-ratings-cbs-leads-viewership-for-week-19-ending-january-29-2012/118068/

Artful Dodger: Top statisticians working for the advertisers.. hmmmmm

"I have studied both as well and the process that is used is very sound"

Show me in your own words why then.

Jack: Some have already resigned, some through the investigations look stupid. Some look very suspicious that after leaving the police they find themselves in a nice job working for NI.

Of course the police are trying to cover their butts.

Artful Dodger: .. with a sample of only 5000 out of 99,000,000 ... that means the percentage sample is only 0.00005050505 of the total viewers.

"And you're the expert. I should known"

I studied statistics and maths at college, get over it

Jack: Trouble is many police were taking bribes off NI, and that is an established fact. That the phone hacking was known of for years and the police did a very poor job of looking into it initially. It has been established that about 4000 peoples phones were hacked!!

Jack: I cannot agree. When you get down to 'shop level' (such as the workers running the printing machines in the case of the NOTW paper) they were just doing a job.

When you get to the likes of Rebekah Brooks and the other reporters involved.. yes they should be banned from holding any journalistic positions, and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Including the likes of Cheryl Carter who with others have been trying to destroy evidence regarding the phone hacking case.

"Murdock should suffer the most but he will get away free because someone will be paid off to take his fall."

He is as I said already suffering. His attempt to buy the rest of BSkyB has failed as a direct result of the phone hacking scandal.