Bernice: yes thats my point to everyone seems to jumping to conclusions that this officer because of a 30 sec video clip must be guilty

i dont even understand why he is having this conversation because EXACT cause of death STILL ISNT KNOWN

(V): so what your saying after watching a thirty second video you know every single thing that happened you know everything that was said
from this thirty sec clip you say that this officer must be put on trial because the video tells you so

what i keep saying why are you so quick to JUDGE you dont all the facts from a 30 sec clip
just wait and see what ELSE COMES OUT before jumping to conclusions

did you google that last one to find out the laws of the land

(V): has i said if you say so
thou i rather wait until everything is out in the open before making a judgement myself
i found over the years its to easy to JUDGE someone without knowing all the FACTS

(V): if you say so

(V): and the KEYWORD in your last statement is IF
so has i keep saying lets wait and see what emerges
this is going to go on for along time
so why not wait and see what the next post mortem says

i agree with you on one point thou the BOSSES of the police on the ground really needs to be investigated

because i would not like to be herded into a small space and be denied basic rights food water etc
that part of the operation was a real disgrace

(V): and of course you know everything about law
you sound has if you hang the guy before the judge finishes the hung

and im not the one who is arguing im saying for the LAST TIME lets here all sides before making JUDGEMENT

there is much more to this story than even you know
there is much cctv footage that is being looked at that we have never seen

(V): wrong we had the police.s version
what i said let hear what the officer who pushed him has to say before passing JUDGEMENT

(V): and has I SAID youve no idea what was SAID seconds before he was pushed so obviously he couldnt of been arrested and has everyone knows theres always 2 sides to every story so isnt it better to have the policemans version to before passing JUDGEMENT

(V): maybe the video was clear but has i said the video had NO SOUND youve no idea what was said in the seconds before he was hit

many ppl have lost it by other ppl calling them names and this may well be the case WE JUST DONT KNOW

of course has a policeman he should of shown more restraint if that was the case and all that will come out in due course

(V): we only have this small clip of film
we dont know if anything was said from this guy or police
we will have to wait for this to come out
im not condoning the police in any way so surely its best to wait until all the facts are out than to judge the guy or the police

bottom line you dont know anymore than 99.99% of the rest of the UK you WERNT THERE
your only going on what the TV and newpapers are telling you and we all know those are well hyped up to sell or gain viewers

Bernice: theres video evidence that he was pushed to the ground a lil before he died

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7990423.stm

smacks of another police cover up

(V): your forgetting the 88p she claimed for a plug for a sink

(V): the lowest age risk is a couple of years after your sexual active and that is not in your twenties
when they do go for smears the labs bin them when they see the age on them


New guidelines suggest that women should have their first Pap smear by the age of 21 or within 3 years of first sexual intercourse. Women need to continue to have yearly gyn exams to look for any abnormalities or STDs, as well.

Artful Dodger: i think what im trying to say can be seen here even if young ppl went for the test the labs used to bin them because of the age

but your properly right its on the wrong board

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A0I3q9Rzlg&feature=related

Bernice: you are right any lady under the age of 25 can walk in and demand she should have a smear test but having the age limit lowered would save a lot of fear
alot of why they wont lower the age is to do with the cost
but in the long run surely if lowering the age limit to 20 where your send a reminder every 3 years saved one life then its a must for the ppl of the UK

alot of countries actually test woman every year
we are so far behind with 25 years and only getting screened every 3 years every 5 years after the age of 50

Bernice: yes sadly we still behind most countries
with our age for screening starting at 25
the reason i asked V if it had changed has i thought i had missed it

this story springs to mind everytime i hear about it

http://www.itv.com/Lifestyle/ThisMorning/Health/Cervicalcancer132/default.html

she had so much to live for yet wasn't old enough to have the test and her parents have been campaigning since her death for the age limit to be lower

i remember signing the petetion over a year ago and still nothing happened


anyone in the UK who feels strongly about this issue please sign the online petition

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/template/v-1.0/module/petitionsPopUp.jsp?article=2250520

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/lowersmeartests/

(V): have they lowerd the age yet?
where woman are to b e screened

Bernice: i often wonder if i live in the same country has Jules..lol

Bernice: sadly its common on the streets of the UK
to have the emergency services pelted with stones esp the ambulance and fire services

and theres still alot of areas that ambulance personel will not go into unless they have a police escort

(V): im sorry but your saying only 122 arrests were made has if it was a good thing

there was an element that was hell bend on causing real trouble
it once again shows us up to the rest of the world

shame on them

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7977561.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7977489.stm

(V): yes shows i watch to much UK gold ..lol

Bernice: that is what is suppose to happen
but its well known here that civil servants seem to have more power than any goverment

(V):

the inquiry into expenses will be yet another whitewash has all the rest have been

the sooner we have an election in the UK the better

mind saying that they all out for themselves so nothing will change

(V): i was just amazed to read that doctors surgeons and blood travel with him


the fact that MP,s have claimed way over the top has been going on for years
i remember the last recession when the PM was calling for wage restraint and they voted themselves a wage increase way above anything normal ppl where allowed

dosnt matter which party you support they all out for themselves

or maybe not
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7973274.stm


did all previous presidents have this?

(V): so your saying that the fruit and veg stallls where you live only using the pounds and ounces
they must by law display the metric measurments

unless im reading it wrong here on this page from the BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6988521.stm


its really stupid that one or the other was not kept
to have 2 systems on the go at the same time is has i say very confusing
i remember the outrage before dedecimalization in the early seventies but ppl soon got use to the change so why have 2 systems on weights and measures
older ppl l;ike myself who wernt taught anything metric would of adapted to it just like the ones did who were opposed to dedecimalization

Czuch: i know they teach the metric weight and things in our schools now
ive no idea what they on about,
every food item must display the weight in metric but its upto the stall holder or the shop whether or not they display it in the imperial measures

its actually very confusing while the young only know the metric weights and measures sadly us oldies only know the old system but i guess in 50 years time or less it will be gone for good

Artful Dodger: yes that was done in 1992 i beleive
she will of course be grown up now properly have children of her own
and has the world listened NO WAY
were still selfish we still break things we cant fix
we still have children having to beg for the right to survive we still polute the water ways

HAVE THE GOVERMENTS OF OUR NATIONS DONE ANYTHING IN THE 17 YEARS SINCE THAT SPEECH WAS MADE

are looking to the grown ups to do something useful for them

its a very powerful speech from such a young child

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=63865811753&ref=nf

(V): it doesn't alter the fact that some patients don't get the treatment they need because of there postcodes
if there health care trust doesn't have enough money to fund there course of treatment they don't get it
and many of these cancer patients have WORKED all there working lives and they cant get the treatment they need
which brings me on to another subject close to my heart

free exchange needles for drug addicts
if drug addicts can get free needles why do ppl on insulin have to pay for there's

there's something really wrong in a society where ppl who are ill thou no fault of there own have to buy the needles to inject something to save there lives while the dregs of society can walk into any hospital or clinic and exchange there's for nothing

if this is the great NHS you are on about in my eyes and many thousands of others its a joke

(V): oh that must be why im still waiting after 20 months to have a small bone removed from my inside my nose so i can breathe properly
Has you well know Jules most of the NHS is based on a postcode lottery
if you dont live in a area that has that kind of treatment you dont get it


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/129912.php

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-375194/Cancer-treatment-postcode-lottery.html

(V): our NHS is nothing to be proud of
its been underfunded for years by all goverments
we still hear about many many cases of http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2572841.stm

we still have patients dying on trolleys in corridors
you still have to wait years for even minor operations
nurses and doctors work VERY LONG HOURS 80 hrs a week some doctors work
for very lil pay

and that is something to be PROUD OF

is no where near halving child poverty by 2010
according to this latest report

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7896085.stm

The Usurper: this is the image that has always stuck in my mind happened during the Vietnam conflict but
it had a powerful meaning to me has a teenager and still does http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/in_pictures_the_vietnam_war_/img/5.jpg

The Usurper: i agree with Bernice on this one
i dont read the very long posts simply because they do get boring after a couple of sentences

The Usurper: please can you break your post up
its very annoying when wanting to go to another board and having to scroll down half a mile to get there

Artful Dodger: ive just seen where the same doctor is in the spotlight again over a 49 year old woman who is now having quads
the link i was going to use wouldnt show up on here

is top of the poll in Europe for teenage pregnancies

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1123322

Pedro Martínez: according to tv reports here both children have had social services intervening and they say that neither will face any charge but they will help with advice on bringing the child up

which dosnt gave out a very good message to other kids

Artful Dodger: from what i gather he was on a sleep over at her house geesh what did the parents expect them to be doing

Bernice: what made me laugh was when the reporter asked what he was going to do financially
and the bratt said whats finance

Bernice: is this the lad and lass from the UK
from i gather the only help they get will be child benift but the grandmother has to claim that has the child cant has she to young

for these poor babies and there crazy mother

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/


she has her own web site asking for donations which is the same has begging

"GERRY": im a smoker who is trying to quit
and i agree with the others when you walk past someone and get a nose full of there smoke
makes it very hard not to light one up yourself

to bring up these children
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7873890.stm

who gaves in to the car giants

http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/homepage/d/int/news/top/1/-/news/1/hi/uk/7793137.stm

(V): does the Sun every print anything thats true?

(V): what i meant was we dont have Winters of discontent and the unions holding the country to ransom esp the miners anymore has we did in the 70s

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7598647.stm