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"I believe that there is no country in the world including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonization, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my country’s policies during the Batista regime. I approved the proclamation which Fidel Castro made in the Sierra Maestra, when he justifiably called for justice and especially yearned to rid Cuba of corruption. I will even go further: to some extent it is as though Batista was the incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the United States. Now we shall have to pay for those sins. In the matter of the Batista regime, I am in agreement with the first Cuban revolutionaries. That is perfectly clear."
— U.S. President John F. Kennedy, interview with Jean Daniel, 24 October 1963[
The Conservative Party in the UK went on blaming the Labour Party for the expenses scandal system that existed in the UK.
They forget to say that they introduced the system.
Labour though cannot be said to be clean as they had plenty of time in power to get the expenses system changed. But then, they would lose out just like the Conservative MP's.
politicians have been using that for decades in the UK... like the word REAL. Don't know if they went through that in the US.. but here in the UK for a while, everything was REAL.
Artful Dodger: The demonstration, which, according to the police and witnesses, left in its path a trail of graffiti and tipped garbage cans, had more in common with anarchist actions at events like the Group of 20 meeting in Pittsburgh in 2009 than with the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations in New York, which have been largely devoid of property damage.
Ämne: Re:Can't you read, or are you just quibbling over the words racist and racism?? I know one ends in a 't' and one ends in a 'm'... but picking over that is just pettifogging.
Artful Dodger: I said originally..."The first mention of racism in the Tea party on this board is by......"
I wasn't saying there was a real link.. (as you keep twisting it into)
"REAL RACISM....couldn't believe a bunch of 'whites' at rallies wouldn't have racist agendas. That in and of itself is racism."
I think it's more a case of bad memories.
"was that racism wasn't present in the Tea Party."
No members at all are racist.. I doubt that very much. But in itself that it is not a statement saying the Tea Party is a racist movement.
"As you always do, you twist things and misrepresent."
No, you are just being a Drama queen over the matter... which is your problem. Don't expect me or others to 'confirm' it for you.
Ämne: Secret service agents embarrass the United States in Colombia
This last Sunday it was reported that 11 US secret service agents and 5 military personnel were expelled from Cartagena, Colombia following a scandal at a local hotel. The security personnel were there to arrange for security pending the arrival of Barrack Obama who was scheduled to address an OAS Summit. The local police started an investigation following allegations that the security personnel brought prostitutes to the hotel and engaged in inappropriate behaviour.
The sex scandal has put a damper on the Obama administrations efforts to engage Latin America in dialogue leading to control of drug trafficking, trade liberalization and a re-establishment of long term alliances that were neglected during both the Bush and Obama administrations.
The scandal has overshadowed the fact that the United States and Canada are politically isolated in Latin America and that all other Latin American countries have refused to attend the next summit unless Cuba is also allowed to attend. In an unprecedent politcal rebellion against the United States, all Latin American member states of the OAS unanimously supported an end to Cuba's ostricization by the United States and Canada. Latin American countries also strongly opposed the current financial policy of the United States that seeks to inflate its own trade surplus by forcing an over-valuation of Latin American currencies.
I suppose the old days of Latin Americans lowering their heads are coming to an end. No longer can American intelligence agencies do whatever they want in Latin America and never be questioned or held accountable.</a>
Last night’s riotous atmosphere resulted in a sergeant and lieutenant suffering minor injuries while scuffling with anarchist protesters at the Astor Place Starbucks, the police said.
According to police, around 25 people tried smashing the windows of the cafe with eight-foot long steel pipes at around 8:45 p.m. after attending the Anarchist book fair earlier in the day. “Patrons fearing that they would be hit by flying glass hid under tables,” the police said in a statement. “Several” officers were assaulted with pipes and bottles, the police added.
Ämne: Re:Can't you read, or are you just quibbling over the words racist and racism?? I know one ends in a 't' and one ends in a 'm'... but picking over that is just pettifogging.
(V): There is no evidence presented in that article that would lead anyone (except you) to conclude a link between the Tea Party and racism. On the contrary, the older gentleman, having experienced REAL RACISM in his life, couldn't believe a bunch of 'whites' at rallies wouldn't have racist agendas. That in and of itself is racism. The whole point of the article (that you choose to misread) was that racism wasn't present in the Tea Party. As you always do, you twist things and misrepresent.
Vikings: ..Ok.. Just when you said they were "demonised".. It sounded like some of what some nutters in Europe on the far right saying they were nice people, or denying that the holocaust even happened... it's just a big lie!!
rod03801: To be Nazi's.... I can pretty much understand freedom of speech as it is in the USA... But Nazi's.... The people who organised the murder and torture of countless millions of Jews and other nationalities.
I would have thought most normal people would want to distance themselves from history tell us were basically the sum of the earth.
Vikings: To be a Nazi!! orchestrator's of one of the greatest pogroms of the 20th century. Who Americans and it's allies fought and died against in WWII.
The reason why Israel got to be Israel!!
Well.. I suppose it's more honest then the British National Party.
Artful Dodger: "Despite my attempts to convince Dad otherwise, based on my personal experiences attending over two hundred tea parties across America traveling on Tea Party Express, Dad persists in believing the rallies are racist. Dad believes all criticism of Obama and his agenda is racist. It appears that no amount of truth will penetrate the wall of affection Dad has for the historic figure he never imagined would exist in his lifetime. Out of respect, I have not confronted Dad, my hero, regarding his irrational support for a president whose agenda so radically goes against his Christian faith — gay marriage, abortion, the murderous partial birth abortion, etc."
As I said.. the first mention of there being any racism/racist motives behind the Tea party was through you on this board.
Can't you read, or are you just quibbling over the words racist and racism?? I know one ends in a 't' and one ends in a 'm'... but picking over that is just pettifogging.
Ämne: Re: Any group would have a few bad apples. OWS has not just a few, but thousands. They are anarchists.
rod03801: It's interesting how the left focuses on the Tea Party racism when none exists but overlooks the hundreds of crimes committed by OWS loons. Then the Prez has the stupidity to suggest that the OWS group is the same as the TParty. Only in politics.
Ämne: Re: Any group would have a few bad apples. OWS has not just a few, but thousands. They are anarchists.
Artful Dodger: Anarchists... oh nooooo. People not conforming, expressing their freedom of speech!! Like when the Tea party and other groups such as the KKK and neo nazis go on marches.
But don't worry.... if "They use violence and intimidation" I'm sure those rednecks with mountains of guns and ammo can intervene.
I'm being sarcastic btw.
"bad elements. OTOH, the Tea Party does not" .... "Any group would have a few bad apples."
(V): You ignore facts and make excuses. Same old same old. It's clear from what I've posted that as a group, the OWS crowd has MANY bad elements. OTOH, the Tea Party does not. And you'd be hard pressed to prove otherwise. Any group would have a few bad apples. OWS has not just a few, but thousands. They are anarchists. They use violence and intimidation as a means to an end.
One victim and now it's all of them, or for all of them and you are just talking about one?
"The mere fact that they had to set up safe zones in the OWS camps proves the camps were a dangerous place as well as many of the protesters were dangerous people."
So no-one outside the protest was dangerous? Muggings, murders and all outside the camp just stopped.
"No, you're making light of all of it."
No, being real.
"the racist element of the Tea Party (even when none existed)."
Again, I was being real... boo hoo.
"The racist element is a myth."
Like God?
"But in the case of OWS, it happend and was covered up."
Hardly a cover up or good attempt at one. But hey... you can think what you want... Do you think the average of 60% of rapes/sexual assaults not being reported each year is going to significantly change, or that the figure of 74% of rapes being committed by a person the victim knows??
Wow... a BNP supporters upload focussing on rape by black people. Forgetting to include some matters of how they learnt disrespect from women. Such as evangelical christibles saying women are second class, or other influences.
Golly... Do you want me to find one about the 95%+ of rapes in the USA are by white males that I heard?
""And the leadership of the Occupy camps tried to cover up the crimes by "handling them internally.""
jules--->Some people after being attacked don't want the police involved. This is a fact."
Except Jules, this isn't what happened. The leaders of the OWS camp decided FOR THE RAPE VICTIM that it would be handled internally.
""that they had to have a woman's only section (as well as a gay and lesbian sections) for the safety of others."
--->So they choose to protect the women, and the gay and lesbians from gay and lesbian haters... you are complaining about this?"
The mere fact that they had to set up safe zones in the OWS camps proves the camps were a dangerous place as well as many of the protesters were dangerous people.
""Only liberal thinkers like you would try to soft pedal the rapes."
--->I'm not. To say so is just petty fogging. You made a false statement based on one certain fraction of an equation, there were rapists and abusers and anti gay folk who 'blended' in and raped/attacked people at the OWS camps."
No, you're making light of all of it. But anyone reading back on your comments re the Tea Party will see you went out of your way to connect dots between the Tea Party and scandalous people. Like the liberal media, you pushed the racist element of the Tea Party (even when none existed). With the rapes, you make excuses, with the Tea Party you only made accusations. The rapes happened. The racist element is a myth.
--->Just as their have been cases of rapes, sodomy, incest and abuse in Christian Churches by Christians... but that they were Christians is insignificant except to maybe explain how they may have gotten away with such activities. Especially as many within the Christian church covered up such matters and dealt with them internally..
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