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17. augusti 2010, 21:34:02
Papa Zoom 
Ämne: Re:But the NT says if you live by the old law you will be judged by it.
Tuesday: Absolutely. BTW, have you read the Naked Gospel?

17. augusti 2010, 21:36:56
Mort 
Ämne: Re:Give some examples where Christians and the teaching of Christ are behind this "scarier" stuff.
Tuesday: ... the old law.. as in the rule of might?

17. augusti 2010, 21:39:53
Papa Zoom 
Ämne: Re:But the NT says if you live by the old law you will be judged by it.
Ändrat av Papa Zoom (17. augusti 2010, 21:44:53)
Tuesday: Yes. It's excellent and I'll bet you like it. http://www.thenakedgospel.com/Default.aspx


It's really helped a lot of people get free from old teaching of the church (traditions etc) and emphasizes how we are not under the Old but under the New. (am not in any way suggesting you need to get away from old teaching. You seem to have a firm handle on what NT teaching really is about. That's why I think you'd appreciate this book).

17. augusti 2010, 21:43:30
Mort 
Ämne: Re:The Old Testament is full of the prophecy.
Ändrat av Mort (17. augusti 2010, 21:49:58)
Tuesday: amongst other stuff.. including Genesis, why Jesus spent 40 days instead of 40 years in the wilderness, that God did not create creation first but a female side... etc, etc, etc.

17. augusti 2010, 21:49:10
Mort 
Matthew
10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

17. augusti 2010, 22:00:12
Mort 
Ämne: Re:
Tuesday: 40.... it's a matter of purification. Without the OT references.. how would anyone understand that?

17. augusti 2010, 22:03:59
Papa Zoom 
Ämne: Re:But the NT says if you live by the old law you will be judged by it.
Tuesday: me too plus a couple of more

17. augusti 2010, 22:13:11
Papa Zoom 
What Happened to the 400,000 Jobs Pelosi Promised after Healthcare ‘Reform’ Passed?
by SusanAnne Hiller
Back in February 2010, Democrat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi promised the American people that approximately 400,000 jobs would be created due to the passage of the healthcare bill.

Remember Pelosi promised this:

Speaker Nancy Pelosi at the health summit: “It’s about jobs. In it’s life, it [the health bill] will create 4 million jobs — 400,000 jobs almost immediately.”

Well, it’s almost November and the economy still hasn’t gotten any better and we have no evidence of those jobs being created. I can only assume that she didn’t mean this either:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaDtkG6afBc&feature=player_embedded

"There will be no earmarks in the bill (healthcare) that passes the house." N Pelosi

She raises her and and "swears" it.

Doesn't this just tick you Dems off to no end?

17. augusti 2010, 22:49:35
Ferris Bueller 
Ämne: Re:But the NT says if you live by the old law you will be judged by it.
Tuesday: Then why do so many espoused Christians utilize the so-called "Old Testament" when it is convenient to condemn those who are different?  Many of them also use Revelations and John in the "New Testament" to promote intolerance of practitioners of other religions.

17. augusti 2010, 22:55:55
Papa Zoom 
Ämne: Re:But the NT says if you live by the old law you will be judged by it.
Ferris Bueller: examples please

17. augusti 2010, 23:05:24
Ferris Bueller 
Ämne: Re:But the NT says if you live by the old law you will be judged by it.

Artful Dodger:


Leviticus used to justify comdemnation of Homosexuals


Leviticus used to condone slavery for 300 years.


Revelations interpreted to say that all non-Christians will be "left behind" when Jesus returns.


17. augusti 2010, 23:23:43
Papa Zoom 
Ämne: Re:But the NT says if you live by the old law you will be judged by it.
Ferris Bueller: I've never utilized the Bible in that way and don't know of any who do. Don't over generalize. As for "left behind," that's a school of thought in eschatology. Even so, what about it?

17. augusti 2010, 23:29:15
Papa Zoom 
Ämne: More evidence of media bias and folks, this IS racism
The Press Conference That Never Happened
by Bob Parks
If a dozen or so black liberals held a press conference, screaming about Tea Party racism for a couple hours, the media would be showing clips for days.
Have a group of black conservatives hold a press conference against liberal racebaiters falsely accusing the Tea Party and you have a media laughing afterward with not a clip to be seen anywhere (except online).

17. augusti 2010, 23:34:19
Papa Zoom 
CNN Rips 'Incoherent' Obama: Even George W. Bush Had Clearer Message
By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive)
Tue, 08/17/2010 - 13:56 ET
When the media outlet disaffectionately called the "Clinton News Network" starts ridiculing you to such an extent that you are depicted as a worse communicator than George W. Bush, you know your popularity as a Democrat President is in trouble.

Yet that's what happened Tuesday when CNN published a piece prominently displayed on the front page of its website with the surprising headline:

Critics Say Obama's Message Becoming 'Incoherent'

For the remaining fans of our 44th President, the article that followed wasn't any better:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/17/obama.mosque.message/index.html

18. augusti 2010, 00:23:08
Mort 
Ämne: Re:But the NT says if you live by the old law you will be judged by it.
Tuesday: And what of those who've used Judas as an excuse to condemn and kill Jews?

18. augusti 2010, 00:23:59
Mort 
Ämne: Re:I've never utilized the Bible in that way and don't know of any who do.
Artful Dodger: Are you sure about that?

18. augusti 2010, 00:26:47
Mort 
Ämne: Re:But the NT says if you live by the old law you will be judged by it.
Tuesday: The starters of the Protestant faith wanted the genocide of all Jews.

18. augusti 2010, 00:28:13
The Col 
Ämne: Re:But the NT says if you live by the old law you will be judged by it.
(V): Martin Luther was most responsible for that

18. augusti 2010, 00:35:42
Mort 
Ämne: Re:But the NT says if you live by the old law you will be judged by it.
Jim Dandy: Aye.. and his words were used by the Nazi's to justify their pogrom

18. augusti 2010, 00:36:55
The Col 
Ämne: religions were on a collision course from the start
How can you have all these different religions, all teaching they are the real truth, and not have it cause conflict amongst the population of the world? I mean honestly

18. augusti 2010, 00:37:13
Mort 
Ämne: Re:God has nothing to do with it.
Tuesday: Exactly.. Just as Allah or G_d have nothing to do with it.

18. augusti 2010, 00:41:33
The Col 
Ämne: Re: religions were on a collision course from the start
Tuesday: No they can't and until one of the 'Gods" holds a press confrence on CNN (or FOX for AD) the status quo remans, as does the conflict

18. augusti 2010, 00:42:32
Papa Zoom 
Ämne: Re: religions were on a collision course from the start
Jim Dandy: So are political ideologies. Do you think people need religion to find ways to disagree?

18. augusti 2010, 00:43:21
Mort 
Ämne: Re: How can you have all these different religions, all teaching they are the real truth, and not have it cause conflict amongst the population of the world? I mean honestly
Jim Dandy: You cannot. Christ even said his words would cause conflict.

18. augusti 2010, 00:44:24
Mort 
Ämne: Re: They can't all be the truth
Tuesday: Is God religious?

18. augusti 2010, 00:47:22
The Col 
Ämne: Re: religions were on a collision course from the start
Artful Dodger: of course not

18. augusti 2010, 00:48:20
Pedro Martínez 
Ämne: Re: They can't all be the truth
Tuesday: At the same time, however, God is not non-religious either.

18. augusti 2010, 00:49:15
Pedro Martínez 
Ämne: Re: They can't all be the truth
Tuesday: And there is no God.

18. augusti 2010, 00:52:57
The Col 
Ämne: Re: They can't all be the truth
Tuesday: I used to think I was the messiah, who knows

18. augusti 2010, 00:55:42
The Col 
Ämne: Re: They can't all be the truth
Tuesday: please, that's so old school

18. augusti 2010, 00:56:27
Pedro Martínez 
Ämne: Re: They can't all be the truth
Tuesday: You know, I would love to believe in God. In my opinion, believers have, in general, a better life than non-believers. But I just can't lie to myself when I know that people created their Gods for the very purpose to make their lives happier. I can't give you the proof of non-existence, obviously, but the proof of existence should be much simpler and easier to do, right? The fact that nobody has come up with such proof makes my assumptions more probable.

18. augusti 2010, 01:00:34
The Col 
Ämne: Re: They can't all be the truth
Ändrat av The Col (18. augusti 2010, 01:05:03)
Pedro Martínez: Being delusional probably also helps one get through a hostage crisis, I suppose it has its advantages in getting through life


"ignorance is bliss"

18. augusti 2010, 01:04:41
Pedro Martínez 
Ämne: Re: They can't all be the truth
Jim Dandy: I agree. It has enormous advantages, and as I said, I would love to believe. From the point of view of an individual, religious beliefs are very helpful.

18. augusti 2010, 01:06:01
Pedro Martínez 
Ämne: Re: They can't all be the truth
Tuesday: Why? There is no reason why…

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