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It use to be nice on *cough* that when 2 people had equal points they both went through, sometimes even more. Is it possible that the use of SB to determine the outcome of a scetion be optional.
I really don't understand how the finish in section 2 of http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?tri=45268#2 happend. Care to break it down for me? If we got rid of the S-B, then we both would have moved on due to points.
the funny thing is the first i won against someone with a lower bkr and a lower seed
the second one i won against someone with a higher bkr and higher seed
(of course the bkrs are useless as they have changed, but the seeds havent, so their bkr was already lower and higher than mine at that time)
Pedro Martínez: But if you compare losses, it doesn't make sensse. If we use the section I mentioned a few posts down, JackS & I each ended up with only one loss and everyone else had more. Clearly we will finish 1-2. JackS lost to me, so he lost to either the first or second place guy. I, on the other hand, lost ot a lesser ranked player. when you look at it that way, it seems that JackS should advance.
S-Bs work when everyone does not play everyone else. For example, it would work in the NFL where every team does not play every other team. It is essentially a measurement of strenght of schedule. But since it's used here at BK inside sections, where we all play each other, it is meaningless.
I am against removing s-b. It prefers win against better players to wins against lower rated players and I like it that way. And to answer Hrqls's question, yes, of course it is used, it's not a BK speciality...
Thad: in real time tournament (playing in clubs in the so called real world (yes there is a world beyond this one! ;)) ... are winners determined by their s-b points as well .. or will players who won an equal amount of games win together ?
I think S-Bs stink and should be eliminated. If two players tie with the same win/loss record, they both should move on to the next round. How do others feel?
jfa: First you need to add a team to the fellowship.
Then after you add a team (for example, Backgammon team) - you will see a link to add a tournament.
NOTE: After you create a tournament, you can safely remove the team from the fellowship if you do not want it - but you need to at least add it to create the tournament.
Backoff: That only happens when the top two players both lose to the same lower rated player, which is not the case here. He lost to me and I lost to someone else.
I think S-Bs should be eliminated and players who tie for section wins with identical win/loss records should both move on. Since we're not doing tournaments with set brackets when it starts, like professional tennis tournaments or the NCAA basketball tourneys, an extra player (or players) advancing won't affect things much, but will make tourneys more enjoyable and fair (IMO).
A question I get every once and awhile is how the S-B works in tournaments, and it is pretty simple once you know how it works - so I decided to just post a good expination here for everyone to read who might have questions.
Now first, the points are figured. You get 1 point for each win. So:
(1)arpa - 3 wins, 3 points
(2)zockerdotcom - 3 wins, 3 points
(3)SMART ALX - 0 wins, 0 points
(4)Ladybird68 - 2 wins, 2 points
(5)Merrily Watkins - 2 wins, 2 points.
Now once all the games and points are figured, this is where the S-B is figured.
The S-B is the SUM of the points of your oppenets that you won against. So:
(1)arpa(3 points) - had win against player 3, 4, and 5. Player 3 had 0 points. Player 4 had 2 points. Player 5 had 2 points. So 0+2+2=4 [4 S-B]
(2)zockerdotcom(3 points) - wins agains 1,3,5. So 3+0+2=5 [5 S-B]
(3)SMART ALX(0 points) - [0 S-B]
(4)Ladybird68(2 points) - wins against 2,3. So 3+0=3 [3 S-B]
(5)Merrily Watkins(2 points) - wins against 3,4. So 0+2=2 [2 S-B]
So first the person with the most points win. In this example, both arpa & zockerdotcom have 3 points each. At this point we look at the S-B. zockerdotcom has 5 S-B, while arpa only has 4 S-B, so zockerdotcom gets the win for this tournament!
IMPORTANT NOTE: The winner of a tournament is the one with the most points. In some cases, the person with the highest S-B will not have the most points, so does not win. Only time S-B comes into play is if there is a tie in points.
First I had a few people ask me if I was going to make more of the "Fast Start - First 5 to sign up" tournaments like I've done in the past - well I've started them back up - And this time to make the games a little quicker, NO DAYS OFF has been added to the games - meaning no weekends and no vacations. 3 days should be 3 days!
Check out the Tournaments to see what is currently up. When I see one get filled with 5 players, I start that and make a new tournament.
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Second, since the last "dummies" tournament did very well - almost had enough players to start every game! Anyway, The #10 for dummies tournament is ready for sign ups.
In a tournament that has different games is the winner of one of the game types notified when that game type is finished or when the entire tournament is over?
The Zoo chess team desperately needs 2 more people to play in the fellowship tourney...your rating is not what matters, please peeps, come on and join the other animals in the Zoo's chess team...
Our Small Pente and Hyper Backgammon teams still have places open. So if you'd like to take part in the up coming Team Tournements then Join the SCRL fellowship.
The Sunshine Club needs one backgammon player and 2 froglet players for anyone out there interested in participating in the interfellowship tournaments set to commence in 2 days!!