you feel the gothic alienation effect as I do, Cerebro - same happened to me here,
not only once - indeed you might have heard a faint *BOP* right after you posted
- I had to fall unconscious from happiness real quick, that's what made the sound ... ~*~

I replied to him...but hey...

and no - the f-pawn wasn't on my list yet ... played the trice-gambit
with c2-c4 a few times, but got no answers on similar questions neither
here nor in a perpetually hibernating fellowship of the gothic re-inventor ... ~*~

Don't forget to register to the Gothic Chess tournament: Remembering Jestone in honor of Jestone.

What's the time limit?

9:30pm in UK ;oÞ

who is Limit? LOL

What's that other advert that ends "oh it's chips it's chips, we hope it'll be chips" or similar? "Will there be Gothic fried onion rings you'll have to wait and see".

I recieved a message from Jestones son thanking us for honouring his Dad.

No disrespect to the memory of Jestone of course, just that if Gothic's leaving the time limit of the tournament could be a consideration.

3 days ugh...I can move up the sign in date.

I'm sure things can be arranged.

shame dano doesnt sign up....he's afraid he might have to play Ed.

Ed's a pawn isn't he?

nope

no.

But he's surely not a paying member on an income of a dollar a year??

he won a prize tournament ... i.e one of them
without (over months) permanently changing rules ... ~*~

I see.

1. f4 e5?? is a loss for Black. 1. f4 e5?? 2. d4?! gives Black to move and draw. I researched one line about a year ago, another about 4 months ago. All of my analysis is in the opening book that will be distributed with Gothic Vortex 1.2, which will come out after the Computer World Championship tournament this November.

(like the fuegians say) for "looking at each other hoping that either will offer
to do something which both parties desire but are unwilling to do" - a bit short
and too merchandizing imho, but close to informative and, gothic chess after all. thx. ~*~

Mysterious red numbers again.

Shorty banned Walter who hid Thad who banned Shorty. LOL

Me too both ways.

no one is banned or hid.
not even you,purple.

Oh humorless one that was a joke. Making light of a sensative subject it's called,

<every board should have a separate backstage lodge - you know, like
in muppets show, the two grumbling granddads making snide remarks
so everybody has the choice whether to read - sometimes I even would ... >:) ~*~

I would like to see players volunteer to play from this starting position:

1. d4 Nh6 2. Nh3 i6 3. g4! Bi7?! 4. g5! Nj5 5. Cf3!! Bj6
6. g6 h6 7. gxf7 Axf7 8. Cxf7+! Kxf7 9. Ng5+ !?! ∞


EdTrice vs. WhiteShark

I sacrificed a good amount of material early on to force a win from a great distance. The question is, can black find a draw from here?

Replay this game, see if it is adventerous enough for you, pair up, and play it out. Let me know if any of you are interested in doing so.

If anyone has analysis on this position, I would appreciate seeing it.

ok Ed...I'm game! I'll take black...if anyone wants white.
play this straight thru?

Just ask the person who wants to play white to play 1. d4 2. Nh3 3. g4 4. g5 5. Cf3 6. g6 7. gxf7 8. Cxf7+ and 9. Ng5+ and the player with black makes the moves 1...Nh6 2...i6 3...Bi7 4...Nj5 5...Bj6 6...h6 7...Axf7 8...Kxf7 then you can each play whatever you want from there. If there are any questions about the notation, just play through my game with WhiteShark and make those same moves, up to white's 9th.

After many months without Gothic Vortex (from March) i have registered it yesterday. And immediately played one game.

The game was at 1 minute per move for G.V 1.0.3 and 40 minutes for 40 moves repeating for me. I won the game with an impressive way as always(not so impressive this time).


George Vs G.V 1.0.3

1. f2f4 Nb8c6
2. g2g3 d7d5
3. Ni1j3 g7g6
4. c2c3 Bh8f6
5. d2d4 Ni8h6
6. h2h3 Nh6f5
7. Ag1h2 h7h5
8. Bh1f3 Ag8i6
9. Ce1g2 O-O
10. e2e3 Ai6j5
11. i2i4 Aj5g8
12. Cg2g1 Nf5g7
13. Rj1i1 Bf6xj2
14. Ri1i2 Bj2f6
15. Cg1i1 Qd8d6
16. Nj3i5 j7j6
17. i4xh5 j6xi5
18. Ri2xi5 g6xh5
19. Kf1f2 Bc8f5
20. Ci1j3 Rh8h6
21. Qd1j1 Ki8h7
22. Cj3j7 Bf5d3
23. Ah2j4 Bf6xd4
24. Qj1i2 Ng7i6
25. Ri5xi6 Bd4h8
26. Qi2i5 Ce8f6
27. Ri6xh6+ Cf6xh6
28. Cj7j8+ Kh7g7
29. Aj4xh5+ Kg7f8
30. Cj8xh8 Qd6f6
31. Ah5xf6 e7xf6
32. Bf3i6 Kf8g7
33. Ch8j8 Ag8h7
34. Bi6xh7 Ra8xj8
35. Bh7xd3 Kg7g8
36. Qi5xh6 i7xh6
37. Nb1d2 Rj8j3
38. h3h4 1-0

The new version of Vortex makes use of an "incremental hash table". It stores some of the "deep danger" from the previous search, so on its next move, it can find the "fail low" type of moves much sooner. Much of the play for Black is improved with this technology. It sees the danger, on average, 2 plies sooner, since "it" makes a move, "you" reply, and the "worse" positions for it saved from the previous search are hit without having to evaluate the positions or call the move generator. This makes the nodes/second creep up gradually as you play the game.

It is a very impressive win, combining strategy and tactics in the perfect way to defeat the software. Bascially, George got into a strong position, sacrificed material, then created a position where the program had so many legal moves, the game tree basically exploded, and it could not search very far at all.

A subtle way to win, and very hard to do!

Will these new features of Gothic Vortex, be included at the free upgrade to Gothic Vortex 1.2 after world championship? Does really the upgrade will have the stunning new graphics and 3&4(&5) endgame tablebases? This would be nice......

Any news from your computer opponents at the world championship? Do they have come closer to G.V? Hope we will see some good matches.....

If it can find fail low moves sooner it will play stronger and additionally more fair, since in the above game i used 32 minutes for my first 38 moves while G.V used 58 minutes for the first 37 moves, due to the many fail low it had. While it was supposed to use 1 minute per move (mean value i believe).

I played my second game against Gothic Vortex 1.0.3, this time with black, and had an unexpected win. And yet not only this, but for the first time i totally outplayed Vortex with black pieces. The final blow is nice again.

The game was at 1 minute per move for G.V 1.0.3 and 40 minutes for 40 moves repeating, for me.

G.V 1.0.3 Vs George

1. d2d4 Ni8h6
2. Ni1h3 c7c6
3. g2g3 d7d5
4. Bc1f4 f7f6
5. Qd1d3 g7g6
6. Nb1c3 Nb8a6 (Here white seems better....)
7. a2a3 j7j6
8. Bh1g2 Na6c7
9. f2f3 Bh8g7
10. Ag1f2 Ag8f7
11. O-O Nc7e6
12. Bf4c1 f6f5
13. Bc1e3 Bg7f6 (Now white king should start feeling uncomfortable)

14. Ra1d1 i7i5! (I forget the castle and instead start an attack)

15. Qd3d2 g6g5
16. Nc3a4? (What a total waste of time.......)

16...b7b6!?
17. Na4c3 (What did this Knight achieved?)

17...Ce8g7
18. Rh1g1 Cg7i6
19. Af2h1 j6j5
20. a3a4? (What G.V wanted to do with this? A counterattack while my attack is miles ahead? Very bad move!)

20...j5j4
21. b2b4 i5i4
22. Nh3f2 Nh6j5

23. f3f4?? (G.V gives me the diagonal i like and at the same time paralyses the battery Q+B at c1-j8, removes it's Queen of the game and makes a competely crambed position for white so white has to sacrifice a Knight in order to have some play at the queenside but it's pointless as the game is in white's kingside.)

23...g5g4
24. Nc3xd5 c6xd5
25. Bg2xd5 Bf6xj2+! (Now the problems begin for G.V. I was not sure if it was a good move, it was just a speculative move from my side, since i saw that after ...i3 white would be in troubles anyway.)

26. Ki1j1 Nj5i3+!
27. h2xi3 j4xi3
28. Nf2xg4 (Desperation, but i don't see anything else as Cj4 is crushing.)

28...Ci6j4
29. Ng4i5 Bj2i1+
30. Ni5j3 i4xj3
31. i2xj3 Af7xj3
32. Ah1xj3 Cj4xj3+
33. Kj1i2 Cj3h2+
34. Ki2xi3 Rj8j3# 0-1

OK 10$ is nothing.

But to understand better:
You are talking about an updade and about a high-end version? The updade will be different from this high-end version? And what are the differences?

And you say: "those who buy Vortex now will get......of $10".
I guess you mean: "those who BOUGHT Vortex OR who will buy it now, will get......of $10"
Right?

I think Ed means the current version isn't as high-end as the next one - maybe proven by your wins? ;)

when computer's start boxing...I'll watch!!
my personal preference is one on one matches against "people" jmo

Car racing too!

mainframe toss!! LOL:)
bet theres a few who could enter that!!

... now isn't that a much nicer deviation from the board's topic? ;)

"discussion about Gothic Chess,games.tournaments,related intrests,or to find new opponents"
all seems reasonable to me.

compared to regular chess programs on sophisticated development stages
- but as it's the less spread gothic variation and sort of exclusive (handsigned ?)
it will find buyers for sure - I set my limit for gamerstuff to $50 though, a principle. ~*~

The piece values in Omega Chess (Don't its claims about evolution sound similar to Gothic Chess's?), another large board variant, are given on this page. The values seem confusing, for example, the bishop is described as "4 points. This is a hard call since the size of the board increases the range and power of the bishop..." But in Gothic Chess, I thought the larger board was supposed to reduce the power of every piece? How were the Omega Chess values calculated?

on top of topic and not lazy . 0:) . indeed I took the first chance to
creating a gothic DanoGambit from scratch, here a link to the game -
just for your interest - as seamly, please no analysis yet during its progress ... ~*~

Well i quickly calculated the values of some of the pieces for Omega Chess according to the "safe check" procedure.

So i calculated that:
Pawn= 1.00 (Definition)
Knight= 1.96
Bishop= 2.99
Rook= 5.00
Queen= 7.99.
(I've done this very quickly and it is possible that it's wrong but i will check it tomorrow).
I don't have time for calculating the Wizard and the Champion but perhaps i will do it tomorrow.

These values differ from that on strategy tips at Omegachess.com.

But i think that their values for some pieces are wrong. Giving the queen a 12 is something that i can understand since the 10x10+4 board makes the Queen even more powerful than in Chess, but not 12 Pawns! It's way too much. Also the Bishop it's not possible to be 4 Pawns while Knight is 2 Pawn-points, since the 10x10+2 board is not enough for this. If this was right then 2 Knights would be equivalent to one Bishop but this is obvious false.

If the Omega Chess board makes the queen more powerful than in chess, why does the "safe check" procedure reduce the queen's value? Are you saying that larger boards make pieces more or less powerful?

I have been designing a new variant of Capablanca's Chess: RACK Chess. Click on the above link for all details or click here if you just want to see the opening setup. You might want to read the Gothic Chess long answer for comparison, if you have not already. Need I add that my variant will not be patented? :)

this is a link to the discussion board "other chess variants" ... ~*~

Thanks danoschek, but I wanted to make sure EdTrice saw it. :)

certainly you mean, since he is the Alpha and the Omega,
an according opinion is to be found at GothicChess.Org also ...~*~