DragonKing: I haven't heard of S.Evans'S.V. software, but I'll look it up on Google. Interesting stuff.

DragonKing: I'd say the biggest drawback of ShogiVar is that it's not two-player :) I want to play real people! (And yes, ZoG supports two-player, but only in real time...I don't have many continuous stretches of time to devote to, say, Chu shogi or larger)

ShogiVar is a great piece of software though, and it's good for getting familiar with the pieces.

Tenjiku (exotic) shogi, is played on a 16x16 board with 176 pieces. This game is possibly the most complex tactical game in existence. There are many astoundingly powerful pieces, including one (the Fire Demon) that can capture up to eight opposing pieces in a single move! Despite the size of the game, checkmates can occur very suddenly (and often very early on) if one player makes a wrong move. (...taken from the GNU Shogi Manual)

emmett: What is the GNU Shogi manual? Is it on line? AND have you taken a look at Tai Shogi? The board is 25x25 with a total of 354 pieces. There is some suggestion that an even larger form of Shogi once existed called "Tai-Kyoku" where the board size was thought to be 36x36! A game with those porportions might take weeks or even months to finish. Maybe we shogi players should revive these games and make them team sports!

I will find that source for the excerpt on tenjiku shogi... For now check out the below link. Once you go to it, scroll down for a SUMMARY table of shogi variations and their stats. I'll follow up on this soon, but now I am playing two games of Xiangqi...

shogivariations

DragonKing: Hi DragonKing: I found that reference link about tenjiku shogi and its GNU source:
gnu

DragonKing: I like the idea about shogi revival and its subsequent teams, but isn't that what BrainKing essentially is beginning? In Canada I rarely even see anyone playing chess in public, let alone Eastern games. I play go almost everyday in cafes with my girlfriend, and people can be heard in speculation, muttering "pente". I've never seen anyone playing shogi in Canada. In fact I've lived in most cities here, and I couldn't find a shogi board. I had to buy mine in New York, so it is unlikely that Shogi variant teams will be forming in Canada in one city in my lifetime. But I love BrainKing for that. It's something...

What constitutes a counted game? When I see a player's ranking and it says something like 16(15/0/1) that would be 16 counted games, with 15 wins, no losses and 1 draw? Is that correct? Then why do I see lisitngs like 53(51/0/7)? What are the games that are not counted? Does anyone know the average percentage of Shogi games that are draws? I concerned because it appears that players here can agree to draws and I thought that was against the rules of Shogi. Thanks!

playBunny: Thank you. I understand now. I thought the middle digit- (15/0/7) was for loses and not draws. That expalins the last question too- because I thought there were too many draws in these stats. (Although I do think the software should be changed to prevent draws from being offered. Just for the sake of the rules.)

I believe there's a distinction with sennichite being considered a non-game and only jishogi considered a genuine draw. Of course there should be no agreed draws.

Among professionals sennichite occurs about once in 50 games and jishogi about once in 200 games.

ughaibu: So sennichite is a draw from the position being repeated 3 times- including pieces in hand. Is that correct? I'm not familiar with jishogi.

I am in the Christmas Special tournament and one of my opponents appears to be unable to continue. He has only moved once and will forfeit in a few hours. His rating is almost 300 points above me- so I assume he is an experinced player. Is there someway I can allow him to withdraw, so he does not have to forfeit?

playBunny: I see. Do days off etc. apply in tournamnets as well?

Sennichite is repetition of move and position 3 or 4 times, I dont remember how many by present rules. Jishogi involves both sides getting their king into the opponent's area ie their own promotion zone. If both kings are safe from attacks and no loose capturable pieces remain outside the promotion zones, the pieces are counted up, 1 point each, 5 points for rook or bishop, 0 points for kings, if both sides have at least 24 (maybe 25?) points it's a draw.

ughaibu:
Sennichite is 4th times repetition of position without of check, number and type of pieces in the hand, priority of move. After sennichite opponents revert colors (or side) and play new game. Winner of the 2nd game are winner this game.
Jishogi fix draw for professionals if each player have 24 and above points, for amateur both players must have 27 points for draw.
I have any question about Jishogi:
1) all pieces of the both players must stay in opponents promote zone?
2) for amteurs a Jishogi not made draw never? If both players have 27 points, then white (gote) win?

I guess you mean jishogi rules for official amateur tournaments? I dont know the details, Takodori should be able to help. Generally Japanese dont feel the need to have everything covered by rules, so some situations, for example jishogi in handicap games, can vary considerably.

And you're the moderator?

Yuri: did you read my reply?

playBunny&dragon king: From DK is very nice he was worried about my forfeit. I was on holyday and my connection was limited. I must apologize myself, I played only in couple of games during christmass.

I've restored the deleted post.

Thanks.

ughaibu:
Yes I read your post now. Thanks for answer. I heared about Jishogi from my friend and see your comment. But my 2nd question I hear 1st time only my friend. He readed japanese book, my be he not understood?

lukulus: Lukulus- Welcome back. I'm glad everything worked out.

ughaibu:
In some amateur tournaments, 27 points rule is applied. If both sides have 27 points, then White(Gote) will win in that rule.

In addition, Senzaki 8 dan wrote a proposal that the player who moves his King to the opponent's original position(means 5a or 5i) first should win the game when both Kings entered into the promtional zones. This rule is applied in the Iruma Shogi Center in Saitama prefecture.

takodori:
Thanks for full and interesting answer!

But I want ask: which official rules are about Jishogi in Japan (I interested for amateur) or this rules not exist?
We create shogi rules on Russian and want know all details, which exist in Japan.

Yury: Like I said, Japanese dont need rules for every situation, they dont like rules if possible. Anyway, maybe Takodori can answer better than I can.

YuryShpilev:
Although I cannot check out the rules in all the ama tournaments in Japan because of so many tournaments, it is said that 27 point rule is popular in many ama tournaments.

I believe the rules except for 24 point rule have been created in order to solve the problem that no time exist for re-match after Jishgi in ama tournaments.(In Japan, the number of participants in the major amature tournaments are often much larger and the preliminary tournament term is usually one day, not using 2 days of full weekends, which is different from most Western countries).

takodori: What do they do at ama tournaments about sennichite? Do they switch colors and replay immediately? If there is time for that- there would also be time for the other? Or not?

DragonKing:
I believe they switch colours and replay immediately. They should use the rest of their time at the point when Sennichite occurred.

Yury: I've been playing shogi for more than 25 years and I've never played either a sennichite or a jishogi, draws aren't very important in shogi.

ughaibu:
I have been playing about 8 years, but I had 1 game with sennichite and 1 game on shogidojo.com where my opponent made repeating position with check to my king above 4 times (may be 8-10 times). In last cause DOJO-applet can't judge win to me -:(.
I is agreeable, that no one's are very rare in shogi, even it is almost impossible. But you know that if something must happen, this compulsorily will occur. Rules must give to us output even from the situations, which are practically impossible. And then someone must explain this to the end.
I obtained to this forum many interesting answers, after that to all to you the many thanks.
And still I understood that shogi still have a region for the their development, while in chess these problems are already solved.

takodori:
After Jishogi game replay too as after sennichite?

I have a question about my christmas special game with nicar. I dont remember resigning that game and based on the position I dont know why I did. Is it possible that there was a mistake made? My position is precarious- but I made my last move of the gold and then was waiting for nicars next move. Did I time out and not realize it? I obviously lost track of the game- to ask this question so late- But I dont think I resigned. Thank you.

Hello,
I received the following message on 9th January:
Thank you!
You are the winner.
niccar: old BKR = 1937, new BKR = 1941 (+4)
DragonKing: old BKR = 1549, new BKR = 1540 (-9)
Game type: Japanese Chess
Tournament: Christmas Special

I don't know what happened, but if you think that it was a mistake and you want continue our game, I have nothing against this.

playBunny: I have no memory of resigning- But I do distinctly remember making my last move- the Gold. Having considered the situation- it would be unfair to everyone else in the tournament to request the game start again- eventhough Niccar has graciously agreed to do so. But I want to go on record saying I feel a mistake was made- I had no reason to resign- if there had not been so many games at once I would have noticed right away. I apologize for the inconvenince- but I am mystified as to how this happened.

YuryShpilev: Sorry for late reply since I wrongly felt I already answered. Yes. after Jishogi, re-game with exchanging colours will occur.

playBunny: Thank you for the suggestion. I am uncomfortable requesting the game ressume- because I really do feel that would be unfair to everyone in the tournament in general and to Niccar in particular- eventhough he has indicated his willingness to do so. I do not know what happened- it is possible that I resigned without realizing I had done so- perhaps I was confusing it with another game- but now- being as I am confused- I will not pursue it. I wanted to raise the question just in case it ever happens again.
Thank you to everyone for your advice.

You can find the official notice at http://esc2006.free.fr/en/
It will be held at Colmar in France between July 06 and 09.

For those who are interested in the results of ESC in the past, please visit
the FESA pages through http://www.shogi.net/fesa/

Does anyone if the second Kio match game between Habu and Moruichi took place? I went to the site expecting the game to be broadcast and they still have the info from the first game. Was the second game cancelled? Or internet problems?

DragonKing: You can watch and replay the second game at
http://kiou.niigata-nippo.co.jp/kif31/index.html

Moriuchi made a first move.

I presented my candidature to enter in the fellowship "Shogi" of this site, there is ten days and I did not receive an answer. Do you know if this fellowship is always active?

jannix: The BIG BOSS of the fellowship is the one that has to accept applications, and it looks like that BIG BOSS has not been on-line since Feb 10th. There are also a pawn now which means they can not do much in the fellowship now, but I do believe they can still accept people into the fellowship.

BIG BAD WOLF:
Indeed, I see now that the president of this fellowship
has the statute of pawn. That wants to thus say that it did not renewed his adhesion like membership of the site.
It is a pity who he did not provide a substitute.
It is not possible to correct that?

jannix: I've accepted your request.

Fencer:
Thank you very much!

Hi, I'm new here, are there any shogi tournaments? I looked in the "waiting tournaments" menu but couldn't find any :(

Thanks

Nico

I can set one up for you, Nico

Shogi Face-Off
Single Elimination for 8 people

Shogi Samurai
2 games each, 3 day moves, 5 players per section

wow thanks Eriisa, it seems like I could only sign up for 1 tournamnet so I chose the Face-Off.

I thought that might be the case, so I gave you a choice!