The Col: http://www.timhawkins.net

Artful Dodger: I doubt he would even be noticed in public, who is he?

Iamon lyme: gone.

The Col: He'd be completely noticed in the right circles. He's not the only right leaning comedian that makes his/her living telling jokes/stories etc. Just like you have lots of liberals out there making a living as comedians, you have conservatives as well. And for every Jay Leno, there are a few thousand others that didn't make it. Not every lib makes it.

And as we all know, in show business, even if you have leanings to the right, you keep them to yourself or you're shooting yourself in the carreer foot. Letterman bleeds liberalism. Stewart not so much.

The Col: Glenn Beck... everyone except conservatives laugh at him anyway.

Maybe it's because he keeps playing the 'straight' guy.

(V): That must explain why Glen Beck is so successful. A conservative knows when he/she is making an impact by the number of times they are belittled by the leftists. You keep bringing Beck up (you're obsessed with him) and that alone is proof of his impact. And liberal thinkers like you can't stand it.

Artful Dodger: Ahhh, so he makes his money playing right wing conventions, not from the general public.Leno? now you're dredging the sea bottom.If you can't come up with one popular stand up right wing comic, yikes, that says it all

(V): Beck works, I would buy a ticket

The Col: You asked for one. I said there are plenty of right wing comedians making a living off their comedy. You said, "name one" and I did. So now you're unhappy about that? Wanna another?

The Col: If you bought a ticket you'd have your caricature of Beck challenged and you'd have to change your view. Not that you'd agree with him. But your caricature of him would be ruined!

Artful Dodger: making a living? or popular?
name someone other than a cue card reader,I will eliminate Letterman

Artful Dodger: Huh? I would pay to watch Beck cuz he's funny

Artful Dodger: Here's some help, though they aren't stand up :Patricia Heaton, Kelsey Grammer.

The Col: I'm still failing to see a pertinent point in all of this.

Artful Dodger: Most likely cuz you are at a loss for an answer

I'm sure the topic would be considered relevant if you had your usual oodles of info to share

The Col: Not so. I simply said that there are plenty of right wing comedians earling a living off telling jokes/stories. YOu said name one, I did. Now you wanna raise the bar?

The Col: And they don't have to be well known to YOU to be well known to others. It's the same way in music. If you're well known in your circle, that's good enough. There are plenty of people who likely never heard of Leno or Letterman and clearly Stewart is in that category. And that woud prove???

The Col: You've probably never heard of him but he's funny.
http://www.jeffallencomedy.com/funnyclips.html

And this guys routine of skiing is very funny. http://www.kendavis.com/

There are TONS more of guys like this making a living out of making people laugh.

That you've never heard of them (likely) is meaningless to my point. You arrogantly challenged me to name one right wing comedian and now you have three names. But that likely won't be good enough.

However, as most clear thinking people know, if these guys were liberals, guys like you would be all over them with laughter and recommendations.

One other thing, many (if not most) left wing standup contains tons of filthy words. My examples are of guys that don't use that profanity. That's because they are REALLY funny and don't need a filthy mouth to make an audience laugh. Just like Old Red.

The Col: Beck is the US version of Nick Griffin. N' no-one outside the BNP takes Nick Griffin seriously... as this clip proves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDtJM0BRX4

Artful Dodger: Funny is funny, the stand up comics you have mentioned would be lucky to be recognised by their parents, let alone the general public

Reasons for a union...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N9-QrRl1Uk

(V): I think Sean Hannity's editing team worked on that clip

(V): If only union leaders focused on safety more than greed

The Col: Well it beats Nick Griffins edited view of history that the Holocaust did not happen. According to him, just a few thousand Jews were shot by the Nazi's.

The Col: Depends on the union... as pointed out by the vid I posted.

The GPDA were about safety when the Formula one drivers were dying regularly, they were the ones who fought for safety when the teams and track owners didn't give a damn.

(V): You can't control stupid, you can only stand back in awe.Take my 12 herbs and spices please!

(V): the vid was 59 minutes , a tad longer than I budget for research

The Col: Most of it is just history of the early days of F1. If you like F1 (like me) it's a good vid. They were showing the Bill Hicks story on BBC4............

I can't post a link to that on this board!!

The Col: Clever talking point but of course, it's not true.

(V): My bro is an FI freak,I have trouble keeping track of who is in the lead.Bill Hicks , best stand up comic who ever lived

The Col: Opinion or fact?

Opinion. It's all in your preferences.

Artful Dodger: He is considered the best by his peers, he was a comic's comic.Ahead of his time in NA, but loved in GB

The Col: Still that's just opinion. It's like trying to say who is the best guitar player. Depends on whom you ask.

Artful Dodger: Of course it's opinion, mine and many others

The Col: You're and many others. That means little. It's just as likey that a person could hold the opposite opinion and argue with you that he's the worst at stand up and then say that that opinion is shared by "many others."

So what.

Dennis Leary
Adam Sandler
Leslie Neilson
drew Carey
Vince Vaughn
Kelsey Grammer
Larry the Cable Guy
Craig T Nelson
Jackie Mason
Jamie Farr
Jeff Foxworthy
Sonny Bono
Joe Pesci
Jim Belushi
Mel Gibson
Mickey Rooney
Rip Torn
Joan Rivers

Vikings:

another thing that occured to me is that the Col is using the "a lot of other people think so too" argument that his comedian is "the best."

But when I used that same argument that "a lot of other people think" that Fox News is "the best" that same logic was poo pooed. hmmmmm Keep in mind that Fox news beats the tar out of the other networks hands down.

So for the Col, if your a liberal, and a lot of people think your this or that (as long as they are libs) then you must be what they say - but if conservatives say so about their guy, um, not so much.

... hang on... that Adam Sandler is a registered Republican makes him conservative...

With so many conservatives (neo cons, right wing nuts and other strange right wing affiliates) saying being Republican does not make you a conservative.

I find that Vikings list is not valid.

btw... alot of actors in your list Vikings, such as Mel Gibson. Who by any accounts is a registered nutter.

The Col: The drivers were getting tired of having no medical facilities at races and dying. So they grouped together and paid for a mobile hospital to be at each race. When the race track owners and car makers did not get that it was a bad thing that drivers were dying through bad track safety.. They boycotted races and made the industry pay up and make the races safer.

(V): The col ask for just ONE names. He's been given that and more.

To be a Republican is to belong to the right wing. Liberal is left. That's how it's defined in the US. You know that and if you don't, you should. Yes, some are moderates and there are conservative libs and liberal repubs (we call them RINOs).

You leftys are all the same. Get an honest answer to your question and then pick the answer apart becauser you don't like the fact that it proves you wrong.

And it doesn't matter if Mel Gibson is a "nutter" because that probably describes more than 80% of the liberal comedians in the world.

The Col: Oh, and Chris Rock is the funniest stand up in the world. Just so you know.

Oh the joys of socialized medicine. In a move that the nurses union no doubt considers a breakthrough in modern medical treatment, NHS nurses are wearing 'Do Not Disturb' signs.

The UK Daily Mail reports that after a successful trial at Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother Hospital in Margate, Kent, a NHS pilot program to have nurses wear bright red tabards with 'DO NOT DISTURB. DRUG ROUND IN PROGRESS' in bold white letters on the front will be implemented in hospitals across the nation.

In a victory for both organized labor and the NHS, nurses can now fully concentrate on one simple task and refuse to address other concerns of their patients. "What we do when interrupted is simply turn around to face the patient and point to the words," proclaimed one of the NHS angels of mercy. Improvements will undoubtedly be made as the system is refined, perhaps the NHS could put the 'Do Not Disturb' warning on the back of the tabards which would save the nurses from having to turn around and face the patient.

Patients have been meekly submitting to the new prohibition, rather than risk the wrath of the nurses. Move over Florence Nightingale, Nurse Ratched is on her rounds and she's looking really angry.

Yes, it's a site about conservative politics and conservative political issues. It is also a site about Republican politics, but that's not the same as conservative politics, a point I hope to make clearly. I, like many others, am disgusted with Republican politics and the utter disrespect for the Constitution that goes with those neo-conservatives (or is it neo conservatives? {does it matter?}).

This isn't really a conservative blog. We are not just blogging on conservative issue. We mostly discuss so called Conservative Republican politics while real Conservative politics are hardly ever discussed now days. Mostly we hear about Republican politics that certainly are not conservative. This is certainly is not a Republican blog and it goes without saying, it is not a liberal blog. So, if you want to discuss the so-called conservative issues of today, this may not be the place for you. It's definitely not the place for patting each other on the back and admiring current Republican political issues or Republican politics in general. It really is only a blog about how the Republican Party has fled from conservative ideology and abandoned America as it turned its back on freedom.

... he vast majority of Tea Party supporters I have asked say that the TP movement is self funded. They tell me that it is a body of dedicated people joined together to fight big government and its oppression. They seem totally unaware of the huge corporate big money effort that has sustained the TP while injecting special interest ideals and completely reshaping meaning of conservatism. It's not just the multi-billionaire Koch brothers and their Koch Industries, it's the conglomerate of huge insurance companies, big oil and every other powerful corporate interest that can benefit from reducing the power of average people while gaining greater control over government. Case in point; the main financial opposition to Obamacare quietly comes from those insurance companies who were getting a nearly $140 billion subsidy (theoretically for interfacing between patients and Medicare). They lost that under the Health Care Bill and they want it back. That's a lot of corporate welfare and they are willing to fight for it. Not that Obamacare is all that good, but it isn't bad in the ways that Tea Partiers have been led to believe.

Big time religion comes in second in influence over the TP movement. No, the big churches don't contribute the hundreds of millions of dollars that come from big corporations, but they do pump in people. Not just average people, but zealous soldiers who have no regard for the Constitution, the freedoms due Americans or anything else that is not on the Christian agenda. This segment of the TP movement is working fervently at changing the very meaning of the Constitution by attacking its basic principles and revising the history of its founding. You hear it all the time at TP rallies and meeting, "There is no separation of church and state! We are a Christian nation! The Constitution protects family values! Abortion must be stopped!" On and on they attack safeguards to freedoms well grounded and intended in the Constitution. They teach people that the Constitution isn't what our forefathers and the courts have intended. When convenient, they deny science and most of all, they work hard to force these views on everyone. If you have attended a Tea Party rally lately, you've seen that it is working.

From Rush Limbaugh to Glenn Beck and from Sean Hannity to Bill O'Reilly they send the same message over and over, day after day. How do they all arrive at the same conclusions, even the same sound bites with flawless accuracy? They are paid to say what big corporations, big-time religion and the super wealthy want them to say. They speak and the Tea Party echoes. They are the programmers hired by the super wealthy to program the compliant flock of followers who rally around every concept that puts the interests of corporate America ahead and above the rights of everyday taxpaying Americans. Look at Glenn Beck's well publicized $32 million income. Around $3 million of that is earned at his job, the rest can be characterized as the payoff. What do big corporations, big-time religion and the super wealthy get for their share of that $29 or so million? They get programming that produces tens of thousands of obedient followers fighting for corporate welfare while impoverishing the middle class. Of modest incomes mostly, they nonetheless cry for huge tax breaks for the super wealthy and big corporations and they fight against anti pollution laws that hold big corporations accountable for damage done to the public and leaving it to the government to clean up the mess at taxpayer expense. This coddling of the giant powerful corporation by government is not a new idea. It has been the dream of much of the super wealthy class forever. What is new, is the force of the masses of duped average income people shouting in support of this idea at the expense of their own good future. Little do they understand (or want to understand) that, given success by the Tea Party, they will work for pennies, be saddled with all the tax burden and be deprived of the protections of the Constitution and government. That really is shooting oneself in the foot!

That the design of a constitutional democracy calls for continuous negotiations is of no consequence to a movement of puppets driven by their master to serve only one goal. If you listen to the programmers (Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, etc), you hear a continuous stream accusations toward their perceived enemy, which happens to be anyone who doesn't agree with every aspect of their message. The tactic is to accuse the enemy of doing whatever it is you are doing in order to divert attention away from your own misdeeds. It works. At least it certainly works with the Tea Party followers. They nod their heads in agreement as their favorite commentator presents a totally fictitious scenario and pronounces, "You didn't hear that in the main stream media! They just tell you what they want you to hear!"


When Beck tells the world that there is no such thing as global warming, he accuses the left of lying to you for their own personal gain. He is telling you that because he gets paid millions to tell you that and, without defense against the scientific evidence his only argument has to be that they are lying. With all the right-wing so called modern conservative commentators you get a heavy dose of, "They are coming after me. They don't want me to tell you the truth." For the simple of mind, this reinforces the image that the other side is lying and supposedly garners some sympathy for the commentator who is standing up to the evil of the other side (all for a mere $30 million a year).

Artful Dodger: And if someone doesn't like Chris Rock, they MUST be racist! Isn't that how libs work?

rod03801: No... Just your mind.

Libyan rebels say they are concerned over the fate of thousands of prisoners held in Tripoli by the Gaddafi regime.

Rebel military spokesman Col Ahmed Omar Bani said almost 50,000 people arrested in recent months were unaccounted for.

The rebels believe they may be being held in underground bunkers, which have since been abandoned. Rights groups have seen evidence that dozens of people have been massacred near prisons, but Col Bani did not accuse anyone of killing the prisoners.

"The number of people arrested over the past months is estimated at between 57,000 and 60,000," he said in a news conference in Benghazi. "Between 10,000 and 11,000 prisoners have been freed up until now... so where are the others?"

The colonel appealed for anyone with information to come forward, and said it would be "catastrophic" if they had been killed.

(V): I guess you pay attention to what you want to, and ignore other things? That's all I can figure. All the silly libs throw out "racist" to anyone who disagrees with the worthless president of ours.

rod03801: Really...... That is what you perceive.

Guess I read more as I don't see that happening alot.