At least 80 people have been arrested during an anti-Wall Street march in New York's financial district.

Several hundred people took part in Saturday's march, which was intended to draw attention to "corporate greed and corrupt politics" in the US. Participants carried banners supporting a range of other issues, including healthcare reform, an end to US wars and the scrapping of the death penalty.

The march came after a week of protests by the Occupy Wall Street campaign.

The loosely organised group says it is defending 99% of the US population against the wealthiest 1%, and had called for 20,000 people to "flood into lower Manhattan" on 17 September and remain there for "a few months".

"The enemy is the big business leaders of Wall Street, the big oil company leaders, the coal company leaders, the big military industrial leaders." A number of placards also called for "justice for Troy Davies", the US man executed in Georgia last week amid widespread criticism.

Police said most of Saturday's arrests were for disorderly conduct and blocking traffic, but one person was charged with assaulting a police officer. One officer also suffered a shoulder injury, said police.

They have not commented on protest organisers' comments that there had been an "unprecedented level of police aggression" on display.

... The bosses always do get extra protection. One has only to look back at how lords and other nobles of the land faired well. As long as they paid respect to the '''KiNg'''

"McCain didn't choose her. The GOP did because they WANTED to throw the election. They knew that NO ONE was going to fix the economy overnight, and by the time of the NEXT cycle they could blame it on the Dems. Pretty clever really."

Perhaps the real economists who were able to access the country's accounts and gave the GOP advise told the truth.

"They knew that NO ONE was going to fix the economy overnight"

and so the blame game began

Obama's Freudian Slip

"If...if asking a billionaire to pay the same tax rate as a jew...uh...as a janitor makes me a warrior for the working class, I wear that with a badge of honour."

This is our great orator? Does he even know what he just said? Forgetting the glaring Freudian slip for a moment, does anyone here think a billionaire would NOT want to pay the same tax rate as a Jew janitor? Last time I check, billionaires pay a much higher rate than most in the working class.

Artful Dodger: N' if they stopped cheating the system they could be on a lower rate. N' maybe it'd lessen the national debt.

But let's all defend the 1% as they are surely good church going, over donation stating, right wing Americans.

... Are they therefore by colour of the Green Party?

(V): The point of the post was Obama's choice of the word "Jew" Very telling. He's an anti-Semite as well as a racist.

Artful Dodger:

"when the top one-tenth of 1 percent has seen their incomes go up four or five times over the last 20 years, and folks at the bottom have seen their incomes decline -- and your response is that you want poor folks to pay more?"

and

""If...if asking a billionaire to pay the same tax rate as a jew...uh...as a janitor makes me a warrior for the working class, I wear that with a badge of honour.""

He made a slip regarding the tightness of the rich's wallets and the emptiness of the poor's. An old English thing was regarding the tightness of a Scottish man's wallet. Blunt.. I'll give you that.

.. But the point at being at ransom at the hands of 0.10% ... or did you not hear about the rich recently blackmailing our governments?

Artful Dodger: when someone call a men a racist.. HE A RACIST!!!!!

ustica tnp: Someone called you a racist?

..... Ok, wouldn't it be better to call the top earners in the USA who defraud and 'pay' for this way to continue out and out criminals.

That getting them to pay up what they by law should be paying in tax, is harder than "getting blood out of a stone". That they bribe, cheat, manipulate the people and government of the USA reminds me of a cuckoo chick's behaviour. N' that others are quite happy to through bribery, blackmail and just pure greed.. let it carry on as long as they get new cars each year!!

... Or to just call them thieving unscrupulous gits?

I copied this from facebook :)

The left never gives up telling their lies about capitalism. The left has caused all of our economic problems and they have endorsed crony capitalism more than the right. These people don't represent America...they represent America's enemies. These people are supporters of Barack Obama, I'll bet.

Bernice:

> The left has caused all of our economic problems and they have endorsed crony capitalism more than the right.

Of course, in the USA the left is really more of the right. The USA has no real left wing party. Even the Green Party is a party of the centre at best. The Democrats are a right wing party, and the Republicans are right of the right. It is just the nature of American politics. Both parties engage in cronyism. It all depends on who is in power at what time. In the end, both parties supported bailouts for banks, both parties supported wars that benefit big oil, both parties support the industrial-military complex. It goes on and on.

9/11 .... 1973

"Agustín Edwards Eastman, one of the wealthiest men in Chile at the time, played a critical role in convincing the U.S. to “lend a helping hand.” After Allende received 36.3% of popular vote in a three-way election and was chosen by the Chilean congress as president, Edwards almost immediately opposed him (Kinzer 170). Edwards consulted the U.S. ambassador to Chile to ask if the U.S. would “do anything militarily, directly or indirectly?”(Kinzer 170). After the ambassador (Edward Korry) rejected his request, Edwards went to the CEO of Pepsi-Cola, who had direct access to President Nixon.[citation needed] Edwards’ friend from Pepsi-Cola notified Nixon of the “problem” in Chile and from that point on, “he (Nixon) had been triggered into action,” as Henry Kissinger said.[citation needed] In addition, ITT offered up to $1 million dollars to support any action by the U.S. to oppose Salvador Allende.[citation needed] ITT had set up shop in Chile and was at risk because “the Chilean telephone system was high on Allende’s list for nationalization.”"


Nothing personal about the murders I guess.. 3000 murdered by the US installed dictator, many more imprisoned, tortured or 'disappeared'.

... It was just business!!

Hillary's Turnabout on Jerusalem

In a stunning reversal, Hillary Clinton has done a 180 on her position on Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, contradicting the position she took when she was New York's junior senator, and needed Jewish votes.

Gun crime continues to decrease, despite increase in gun sales

Despite increases in gun sales, gun crimes continued to decrease in the United States for the fourth straight year in 2010, according to the FBI.

The FBI recently released its Crime in The United States statistics for 2010. Overall, murders in the U.S. have decreased steadily since 2006, dropping from 15,087 to 12,996. Firearms murders — which made up 67 percent of all murders in the U.S. in 2010 — have followed this trend, decreasing by 14 percent.

At the same time that firearms murders were dropping, gun sales were surging. In 2009, FBI background checks for guns increased by 30 percent over the previous year, while firearms sales in large retail outlets increased by almost 40 percent. The number of applications for concealed carry permits jumped across the country as well.

“There was a huge spike,” NRA spokesperson Rachel Parsons said. “It’s probably mellowed out and gone back to normal now.”


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/28/gun-crime-continues-to-decrease-despite-increase-in-gun-ownership/#ixzz1ZIWfl0Cj

Artful Codger: lol

despite?

Iamon lyme: oops..

I was going to ask you if you had ever known me to resort to name calling, but I guess we both know the answer to that now..

heh heh heh heh heh heh heh

Iamon lyme: Old Codger-that's me. My knees hurt today.

September 30, 2011
Huge 'Green Jobs' Loan given to Pelosi brother-in-law's company
Rick Moran




Apparently, the only kind of "green" that really matters to the Obama administration is the folding kind.

Mark Hemingway at the Weekly Standard blog:


Despite the growing Solyndra scandal, yesterday the Department of Energy approved $1 billion in new loans to green energy companies -- including a $737 million loan guarantee to a company known as SolarReserve:

[...]

On SolarReserve's website is a list of "investment partners," including the "PCG Clean Energy & Technology Fund (East) LLC." As blogger American Glob quickly discovered, PCG's number two is none other than "Ronald Pelosi, a San Francisco political insider and financial industry polymath who happens to be the brother-in-law of Nancy Pelosi, the Minority Leader of the United States House of Representatives."

-- The Left is prone to hysteria.
-- The Left believes that if The New York Times and other liberal news sources report something, it is true.
-- The Left believes in experts. Of course, every rational person, liberal or conservative, trusts the expertise of experts -- such as when experts in biology explain the workings of mitochondria, or when experts in astronomy describe the moons of Jupiter. But for liberals, "expert" has come to mean far more than greater knowledge in a given area. It now means two additional things: One is that non-experts should defer to experts not only on matters of knowledge, but on matters of policy, as well. The second is that experts possess greater wisdom about life, not merely greater knowledge in their area of expertise.

-- People who don't confront the greatest evils will confront far lesser ones. Most humans know the world is morally disordered -- and socially conscious humans therefore try to fight what they deem to be most responsible for that disorder. The Right tends to fight human evil such as communism and Islamic totalitarianism. The Left avoids confronting such evils and concentrates its attention instead on socioeconomic inequality, environmental problems and capitalism.
-- The Left is far more likely to revere, even worship, nature. A threat to the environment is regarded by many on the Left as a threat to what is most sacred to them, and therefore deemed to be the greatest threat humanity faces.

-- Leftists tend to fear dying more. That is one reason they are more exercised about our waging war against evil than about the evils committed by those we fight.

“There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence, and energy of her citizens can not cure.”

Dwight D. Eisenhower




The Democrats say that the United States has had its days in the sun, that our nation has passed its zenith. They expect you to tell your children that the American people no longer have the will to cope with their problems, that the future will be one of sacrifice and few opportunities. My fellow citizens, I utterly reject that view.

Ronald Reagan

Because of what America is and what America has done, a firmer courage, a higher hope, inspires the heart of all humanity.

And….

There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means.

Calvin Coolidge




Accept the challenges, so that you may feel the exhilaration of victory.

George S. Patton

The mania for giving the Government power to meddle with the private affairs of cities or citizens is likely to cause endless trouble, through the rivaly of schools and creeds that are anxious to obtain official recognition, and there is great danger that our people will lose our independence of thought and action which is the cause of much of our greatness, and sink into the helplessness of the Frenchman or German who expects his government to feed him when hungry, clothe him when naked, to prescribe when his child may be born and when he may die, and, in fine, to regulate every act of humanity from the cradle to the tomb, including the manner in which he may seek future admission to paradise.

Mark Twain

I think these ideals are much more representative of American ideals rather than Obama’s ‘shared sacrifice’ nonsense.

... America and Russia both are over as 'the superpowers'... that's a fact.

(V): That's your opinion, not a fact. A fact is that Britain is no longer as great as it once was…

Pedro Martínez: Neither then is stating that the USA has not passed it's zenith. The conditions after WWII where most powers were rebuilding that gave the USA an edge are no longer applicable. The cold war is over. No side won.

As for Britain. Yep. WWII did that, but it would have come sooner or later anyway. History teaches as a fact that all empires rise and fall.

Pedro Martínez:Yes it is opinion as virtually everything on this board is and only history will tell whether this is the end of the US and the West as global leaders or just a setback. It is certainly a fact that China’s influence is growing and US and the West seems to have to resort to increasing desperate invasions to maintain their influence.

A fact that Britain is not as great as it once was? If you define greatness as the size of your empire then this is inevitable.

Knox is freed.

Poor Sky Sports.. it looks like (99.99% sure) that their monopoly on major sports coverage and the prices they charge (especially to pubs/clubs/hotels) is broken.

Thanks to Karen Murphy, a pub landlady who took her case to the European Court of Justice and won.

Now, cheap decoders and decoder cards from the EU can be used legally saving businesses thousands each year.

(V): Yeah but on a brighter side, Glen Beck TV has outdone Oprah by over 50%!!! And he's just getting started. lol. Even Van Jones has to subscribe to see what Beck is saying now. The WH is already a member!

Artful Dodger: ??? He's done over 22 consecutive seasons already!!

Golly.... that is a major motor mouth, like where he says in an interview TV belongs in the history books.

... Does he still hate the 9/11 victim's families?

(V): When Fox News distances themselves from you (as they did Beck) you know you're in la la land

The Col: With no outside control, if Beck losses further who will he blame?? The Liberals, Fox.. the advertisers that deserted his schedule??

The Col: That must be why Beck has been on Fox news many times since he left.

The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal." ~Peter Brimelow.

Artful Dodger: From what I've seen that's about standard from comes out his mouth.... Along with managing to get his website VDARE listed on the Southern Poverty Law Center's website as a "white nationalist hate group".

(V): Well, I don't buy it. The left loves to play the race card when they can't win the argument - which is often.

October 5, 2011
'Occupy Wall Street' a nearly all white endeavor
Rick Moran




They call themselves the "99 percenters" - alluding to the supposed one percent of rich people who control the country.

But as Michelle Malkin points out to the Daily Caller, "When Occupy Wall Street activists call themselves the '99 percent,' it turns out they mean 99 percent non-diverse (by their own politically correct measurements)." Malkin notes that:


One thing you won't hear the MSM harp on the way they harped about the Tea Party: The overwhelmingly pale face of the "99 percent" movement. Just like their ideological elders in the liberal media, they are a lot more skilled at carping over lack of proportional representation among conservative institutions and the GOP than they are at demonstrating it in their own ranks.

From the DC article:


Though a few representatives of minority groups have appeared among the "Occupy Wall Street" protesters in New York City, photos and videos of the left-wing mini-throngs indicate they suffer from a serious lack of diversity. And the protesters themselves told The Daily Caller on Tuesday that they are conscious of the issue, if not the inconsistency it demonstrates. A 40-photo Washington Post slideshow showing hundreds of angry protesters in New York and other cities includes no more than 15 clearly identifiable minority protesters, and just six African-Americans. The rest of the protesters shown are white, and most are male. In 26 photos from San Francisco and Chicago gatherings posted on OccupyTogether.org, only one person from a minority group is clearly visible, and it's unclear whether he is a protester or a bystander. Minority groups are similarly underrepresented in photos and videos posted on OccupyWallSt.org, the self-described "unofficial de facto online resource for the ongoing protests happening on Wall Street."

Buehler? Buehler? Anyone?

Artful Dodger: Seems more the right playing the race card from what is posted here.. or is it the anti-race card?? confusing!!

(V): Only because you're easily confused.

Artful Dodger: Well it does seem that some on the right are using race in reverse... Making out that any objections by the left are based on the race card to nullify and quieten down the left.. a kinda mental bullying.

It's reminds me of when Christian churches (past and present) use the '''DeViL''' as a means to bully people into non questioning their doctrines.

Justaminute: "A fact that Britain is not as great as it once was? If you define greatness as the size of your empire then this is inevitable."

(V): So Britain is greater today as it was in the past?

Artful Dodger: Had to be freed, I think this is obvious.

(V): Most objections on the left that include any mention of race ARE using the race card. Easy to see unless you are blind.

Artful Dodger: Or... you have a different perspective that came about from living outside the left/right divide that people in America seem to enjoy busting their country with.

Yet.. when I watch the likes of "Celebrity Roast" .. people seem to be less touchy.

(V): Or since living outside the left/right divide in America your perspective is very limited. That'd get my vote.

October 5, 2011
Euro-economies creaking to a halt
Rick Moran

It's like a slow motion train wreck as European economies are showing stagnation and a slowing pace of growth.

There are fears that the projected 0.2% growth for the quarter will actually slide into negative territory, heightening fears of another recession.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/10/euro-economies_creaking_to_a_halt.html

Artful Dodger: Yes it would get your vote, but as mentioned before... that is only an opinion. If you've noticed, when it comes to long term disputes, you usually get an arbitrator from outside the two parties to act as an mediator.

Which makes me believe that your view is limited by being so deeply sided, like with many who are caught in this manufactured right/left divide in the USA. After so much paranoia over 'communism' and 'socialism' (just like with the USSR citizens would have experienced manufactured paranoia over capitalism) it would be logical that many Americans can't see the tree because of the forest.