http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4611518.stm

This is in german unfortunately, march '09 http://www.dickmarty.ch/Docs/2009326_berlino_cia_bundestag_20min_090326.pdf

Artful Dodger: http://articles.latimes.com/2007/may/31/local/me-rendition31


Obama doesn't want this trial, for the reason it could treat the national security.

Artful Dodger: Do you use the word evidence as in 'clue'? I don't have 'prove' but overwhelming indices *edit: I got the evidence*

Wikipedia: black site

Madrid and New York, that are the events where islamic terror seemed involved. A decade of terror in the western world spots on Madrid and New York. Are all these national security laws since really justified? The answer is a no.

Artful Dodger: A fair trial.

Artful Dodger: The US entertains black holes round the globe, strange flights carry people who disapear in there. Then there are estimations of maybe 100 people died in interrogations in Irak and Afghanistan. To be specific, wouldn't that be the job o a trial?

Torture is a crime in the US, no matter where it happens. In January, Chucky Taylor, the son on Charles Taylor, was sentenced in Florida to 97 years prison for torture in Liberia. If it comes to US-torturer, US states secrets have priority, the law didn't count much under Obama so far, these trials could be a treat to the national security, so Obama. To me this means the same as if he would say that if we uncover these problems, people will stop trusting the US-government.

Did we all survive the finance crisis? Maybe today economics understand that people have nothing to do with the finance sector. Stop the stress, nothing happened. Nothing? Oh, some homeless more, some other messed up countries. Thank you!

Intel need to certain that a captured suspect has important infos. If it comes to these waterboarded 'victims', what lead to this act? Wouldn't that show if pressure was justified? If it's true that the intel paperwork around Guantanamo is in complete disorder it influences my opinion in favor of these 'non status' people in there of course.

Good luck with the false academic who depend on the industry and reproduce their lies. The green revolution is a lie, there are no crops from a labor that saves the world from starvation, it is a LIE, it doesn't work. Good luck with these fake academics, out of the universities with them, the money they earn is your money, given to them to reproduce lies to give you that comfy feeling they call life... Good luck in your reality, your reality is a lie.

80 % of the pharmaceutic products most usually take for tons of money can be replaced on a 5 mile walk aroud each ones home instead of buying it from companies who robbed the knowledge. Good luck in your comfy lives, nourished by the illusion of big money, waste and abuse. I for my part go collecting herbs, if I had to I'd get my food ready until next spring this week. Good luck hard working 'real lifers', I don't understand your ways.

I see a world without big banking, without raping food suppliers, without abusing pharma. It's there in front of me. Good luck in your trashlife.

(V): But I know about Nestle, a other of these nasty swiss companies...

Übergeek 바둑이: I noted down my comment from the radio, but didn't catch the autor of the book discussed. I think the title is something like: uncover the food scandal or similar, a new book. So ... I've no idea what I was talking about

(V): Shows how little you know about Swiss, the best educated people of the world.

(V): Dude! Your lack of humor is untypical for Brits

(V): Yes, do the best to defend your failed country. I have to do with mine for a while.

Übergeek 바둑이: The fish and chips in paper please, not plastic.

(V): Your "we import so much" doesnt rebut what I wrote. Poor people in GB buy their food rather when it soon expires, when it's cheap. This is the British system, cheap food, and waste. This is a global problem btw a real problem a huge one.

(V): No rubbish. Junkfood is a normal dish for Brits, for Swiss it is junk.

Artful Dodger: It's idle to talk about cell splitting or how that is called, isn't it. Who can't protect oneself from getting the little monster should leave it maybe lol

Artful Dodger: A morning after pill is maybe something different as aboration. It has to go fast in my opinion. It's impossible to talk about for weeks and then get rid of it. That's cruel, I can not say for the embrio, but for me.

Artful Dodger: As a man I'm willing to let live and grow the life that comes out of my loins (loins?). But women do as they please of course .... .......

Tuesday: Yes. He is beyond doupt the leader of the world... what a joke this terrorist bubble. sry ny but that is how it is.

gogul: and Bin Bum Laden is dead by some arab news?

gogul: I wonder if that is true. Originaly "al Kaida" ment a list, a network of a university or something like that.

Tuesday: I'm glad that the swiss got freed in Mali. Lets bash the Al Kaida. Morons.

Tuesday: The videos can not be posted here

Tuesday: unsubliminmal to fool me once and axis evil you. Be aware

(V): the waterboarding stuff.

Is someones hands bound behind the back on a radiator to give a special treatment to ones face torture or just beating? It's the daily mess in Chinas uncontroled police offices...

(V): Have you heard of Dr Keller?

I fail to feed google with that

(V): 'sell by' dates...

You describe how you get nicked, as I said: The British food system means to produce much too much and to have short expiration dates.

(V): lmao I like it

(V): 30 pc of all sold patatos in Great Britain end up as trash. The farmers and food producers throw away about one million tons of the bulb every year. In spite of a more and more massive fishing crisis, in between 40 and 60 pc of all fishes catched in european waters get moved off board, all dead. The value of the three most important dish fishes of the Brits thrown back to sea is about 80 million Euro. The 60 million Brits throw away 484 million yoghurts in their sealed package. The supermarket chains are real champions. Sainsbury = ca. 60'000 tons, Asda = ca. 75'000 tons of foodstuffs thrown away on landfills. The half of the fruits and vegetable grown for the supermarkets never reach the counter because of wrong size or not looking super fresh anymore.

For the food industry, the described above is market logic, the economical system means to produce much too much and to have short expiration dates. The whole system does not correspond to the real needs. What also shows this exemplarly is that food gets poisoned in refuse skips so that nobody can consume it anymore.

The law criminalises poor and destitutes if they take fresh food out of a dustbin.

The earth could nourish 12'000'000'000 humans yet 24'000 children die every day on starvation.

The daily mass murder serves the profit, every thrown away yoghurt is a optic manifestation of the capitalistic system gone trash, gals'n dudes.

Alone the food thrown away in Great Britain could nourish 113'000'000 humans.




Now, what ya say?

Lets challenge something completely new. Like the so called food suppliers, who make everything worse on this Planet, just to be able to buy 100 cars at once. Nestle, a prominent company among these.

Let me remind you that in our part of the world food gets thrown away, enough to feed the world population 7 times. In Great Britain food gets even poisoned, so that poor people can't take it out of the trash. No, the Brits prefer to criminalise the poor than to offer solutions to the problems.

Czuch: You know enough to make tha difference between criminals and workers in the high society? www.amcham.ch/leadership

Tuesday: I don't want to put in words what I feel for figures like these. But it is because of individuals like them and more I like to bath in hate, I too need to be alone at times. Hate or lots of alcohol, that keeps me alone and away from G.W.Bushs decade.

And never ever in my life I hear a official American trying to define what Turkey is.

To put it short: Mohammeds fight was the one against the Bizantine Empire. As it is Istambul today, Mohammed was successfull and the reformation of the Islam can be found about 100 years back in time. Anyone wants to challenge this thesis?

(V): Aha. It's not that we have nothing from and with the Muslim. For my blabla it would go to far to explain Castel del Monte to readers, but I do like it.

(V): The Sharia is just another of these books that serve to scan and understand ugly minds.

(V): I observe that it is the very choice of individuals to face hell [soon]. I'd go with the saying that they don't know what they do, and a slap will make the gate to heaven for some of the terrorists.

(V): The Sharia is the same for the Muslims as the Malleus Maleficarum for Europeans. It doesn't take much to understand that, and Muslims better stop expecting that Allah is happy with them. For living in the past and not in the present, it's a Muslims choice to arrive in the present here and now. Yes, I consider the Qur'an as a nice piece of literature, that's it. If it can teach the Muslims decency, so be it.

(V): Honestly, who cares about the desert jokes bin bum laden and the fairy tale they are reading their lessons from.

There is a huge problem with trickle UP in Basel Switzerland. The rich here (nasty companies and the government) make to silver what is holy to the youthculture, and this with spiteful stubbornness since 20 years. What a joke to know these people still sitting on their chairs while everybody knows that they are no more able to watch them self in the mirror. If that continues, burrying will be just a matter of hygienics.

Some pseudo clever jokeheads want to hunt Cheney now for trying to eliminate some of the top terrorheads? I for my part want to see Bidens head r...d off

Organisations like this joke: www.gfdaf.org. Smudo and Eminem do more for American/German friendship as the idiots in there.

You Americans really accept Joe Biden as vice? Vomit factor is all I can say. At least we can say, we told you so.

Vikings: Isn't Bill Gates Californian? If so, I might be wrong, and he got robbed, then why Arnold Schwarzenegger feels to call California broke? 'Bill Gates $ 80 billion' should be pure comfort (I don't believe Gates ever owned something else than digital numbers). No, Bill Gates got broke down, because the anonymous leaders who at times let their ridiculous voices appear on faked radioshows don't want people around who could solve problems. They (the hiden leaders, lets demask Biden) don't want anybody above them, that's why bill gates get neutralized. I want their faces, their names, their organisations, not just their ugly voices on faked radio shows. Soon as that happens, soon as these cowards are unhiden, their end is done. And thanks God they'll suffer.

Liberals and socialists can fight all they want, but leave us conservatives doing our own stuff