Artful Dodger:

> Obama has borrowed 3.5 Trillion in just 19 months.

Enlighten me. How much of that was for the bailouts for the banks? And who came up with the bailouts in the first place?

Artful Dodger: No people stated that it was a foolish policy, it was illegal, it was ill planned, Blair lied, Bush lied. That is not the same as wanting to fail, that is honest opinion.. Many people did not want to send our troops into a war that did not need to be.

As for waterboarding.... IT IS TORTURE. If you support torture by the USA then you cannot condone when other regime's do it. It is considered a crime by most if not all normal people and courts in the whole world.. it is considered a war crime by just about every court in the world.

Tuesday: It does seem to have gotten worse since Obama got into office.

Artful Dodger: !!!!!!

If you were to do the math PROPERLY... then you'd understand that this statement is as accurate as the old idea the Earth is at the centre of the universe.

$1,000,000 234 years ago is not the same as $1,000,000 now. For things like inflation the actual value of something bought, sold or borrowed, has to adjusted to allow for time. The dollar today (same with any currency) just ain't worth what it was back in da old days.

I used an online inflation calculator and it came up .....

... If you bought something in 1940 for $1000 it would cost, due to inflation.... $15,572.21 in 2010...... a rate of inflation change of 1457.2%

http://www.coinnews.net/tools/cpi-inflation-calculator/

Snoopy: ROFL....@ the video

A blogger has opined:

We have come a long way in the last twenty months. The President of the United States, his Chief of Staff, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, and the Majority Leader in the United States Senate have done for the Republican Party what no Republican could have accomplished. Just as rigor mortis was about to set in, they brought the old corpse back to life. For their efforts on our behalf, we should be forever grateful.

--it's not well understood by Democrats that what has taken place, the demise of their power, was due to their own unpopular policies and arrogant elitist attitudes. The people responded (unlike in the way one uninformed poster here tried to portray it) from the average man up. It is a grassroots movement and it's going to unseat a huge majority of Democrats. It's also targeted Republicans who also, "don't get it."

You would do well to pay attention because your party can never regain power in the same way, unless it makes some serious changes. Republicans can never hold power unless they make some serious changes. It's a double edge sword.

Tuesday: You wanted Bush to fail in his Iraq policy. You didn't support his administration's policy on waterboarding. You wanted him to fail.

Saying you wanted him to succeed and then acting otherwise. I'll take your actions before your words.

As for me, YES, I want Obama to fail. I want his Health Care bill to fail. I want Cap and Trade to fail. I want his Foreign Policy to fail. I want MOST of his attempts at changing the US to fail.

Do you not understand that the reason Obama is so unpopular and that the Democrats stand to lose the House and the Senate is that people want them to fail. They don't want the Democratic vision for America. They are rejecting it.

That's what is meant by wanting him to fail. We want Obama's efforts to fundamentally change America to fail because we believe he is taking us in the WRONG direction.

Tuesday: He's not done well for the Country. He's hurting us. He's a horrible president and more and more people (liberals and independents - those that voted for him) are coming to this same decision.

rod03801: That's certainly true on this board. I can own that. I'd gladly debate the issues with people here but honestly, there are few here that actually understand what a cogent argument looks like. You get only anecdotal evidence or the usual, "Well what about Bush?" Even Obama plays the "What about Bush?" card.

There are some serious issues with the way Obama is running this country. And even more serious concerns with the way the Democrats have ramrodded through their unpopular policies. When they are unseated, they won't understand that the US people are rejecting their ideas. They are the party of the arrogant.

The Republicans lost the last election for the same reason. And if they don't get back to what the people want, they will be voted out of office in the next go around.

I think it's time for term limits and some serious restrictions on how much money one can use in a campaign.

Lawmakers should have the same insurance and retirement programs as their other public servant counterparts. They get too many perks.

Anyone in public service at the highest levels, if they break the law, they should have all their money earned as public servants forfeited. And they should do double or triple jail time.

Artful Dodger: both sides only seem to be able to whine about each other, and throw insults back and forth. And both act innocent about it, and both act like the other side is worse..

It's crazy to me.

Both sides are equally bad.

Tuesday: And all you ever did was bad mouth his decisions. YOu called the tea party derogatory names, Republican's vultures, and a host of other names. on and on and on

rod03801:

Tuesday: "On the human scale Bush and Cheney are just as bad as the terrorists."

"It's human nature to want to retaliate against barbarians....which Bush and Cheney are."

If you say you wanted Bush to succeed, you meant succeed at YOUR ideas not his.

Frankly I don't care about Bush any longer as he's NOT the prez. Obama is and Obama's record is worse than any recent President INCLUDING Carter.

Tuesday: You NEVER said that.

I want Obama to fail. And so far, he's doing just that.

Übergeek 바둑이: Bush isn't the President.

Please do the math. In 234 years, we borrowed 9 trillion dollars. That's 12168 months. That's a Trillion every 152 months or every 12.6 years.

Obama has borrowed 3.5 Trillion in just 19 months. That's 2241.5 TRILLION over the 234 years. It's NOT just a little more than Bush, it's significantly more. It's insane. It's more than ALL other past presidents COMBINED.

Tuesday: Think again.

Tuesday: No more biased than you are about Bush and republicans. I definitely can't be bothered to waste my time searching for the posts where you have stooped below the level that "V" was mentioning in his post that I responded to. I don't care enough, and your opinion doesn't affect me in the slightest bit, as mine doesn't affect you. Get over it.

Bernice:

**poof**

The Col: We are the Conser's here what about the nutty repubs we already no the Libs are nutty Col chickin man

Ferris Bueller: Or them using some old 'new deal' law that allows them to have a their cattle businesses graze free on federal land without the tax payers seeing a penny.

Ferris Bueller: I read about them.... going on about not letting people tread on you then getting compulsory sale orders on where they wanted a pipeline.

Nice... not.

rod03801: To a certain respect I can disagree. Our UK law though respecting freedom of speech also respects that people can go over the top. In that.. you are right ALL sides do it. Yet here in the UK .. criminal prosecution can follow.

The Col: if i where you i would be here Col chickin & if you ever find the time i sent you messages in private please reply to them Pal this goes back to where i first post to you here Pal & met you bud

(V): Um, maybe YOU personally didn't.
"We "libs" (as you call us) did not go to the lengths to disrespect Bush as you do Obama. We had a go at policy, mistakes as you'd expect."

But plenty of "libs" have gone to even greater lengths. Including a few posters on this board. Don't get me wrong, I have JUST AS LITTLE respect for George Bush as I do for Obama.
My point is that your statement is not accurate at all.

Plus, it's all just foolishness anyway. Both sides do the exact same thing. Regardless of if "2 wrongs, don't make a right".
Until the end of time, Dem's will insult republicans, and republicans will insult dem's. It's just silly for either side to whine about the other side doing it. Both sides are just as good at being nasty.

Tuesday: ...... that is not a good sign. It also blows to high heaven this board's conservative element and them forever them harking on about how they have so little mediaon 'their' side.. guess for them radio and newspapers don't count.. or that of some strange new invention called "the in-ter-net"

Tuesday: What did happen?

Tuesday: Our last government bailed out the banks as did Obama even though Bush knew it was coming..

.. If they had failed, the entire financial system would have collapsed. Anyone wishing that to happen is either nuts, ignorant, stupid or a combination of all three.

Tuesday: Well if that is the case then the right does not deserve to be in power. Any party that gloats on the failure of it's government when such failure causes suffering to it's own fellow citizens is not worthy of being elected. Locked up in an asylum more like!!

What is this thing of Beck's... The Black Robe Regiment??

Why did the Mormons supply 30 out of 42 million dollars in the Prop 8 ballot campaign in California in aid to outlaw gay marriage??

Artful Dodger: We "libs" (as you call us) did not go to the lengths to disrespect Bush as you do Obama. We had a go at policy, mistakes as you'd expect.

As for free speech.. there comes responsibility.. you cannot moan in the future on how anyone talks about your hero's.. such as Beck and Palin.. or the Tea party.

Artful Dodger: MaYbE oBaMa WoRk'S fOr TyRa

Artful Dodger: Why are they hiding under the chair?

Artful Dodger:

Artful Dodger:

> Did you NOT see how much money that idiot is borrowing against our future?
> Did you not see the comparison over the last 200 plus years vrs his 19 months in office?

Is that Bush or Obama? The truth is that every president has always borrowed more than the previous guy, even Bill Clinton, who ended with a surplus, borrowed more than the previous administrations. George W. Bush borrowed more than any president in history. That information you posted a while back assigned to Obama the bailout for the banks, and that was George W. Bush's idea. Obama merely enacted a lot of policies born at the end of the Bush administration in agreement with the Federal Reserve. In that sense it is unfair to blame Obama for a lot of policies generated in a Republican administration.

The Col: