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29. marca 2010, 16:34:12

Übergeek 바둑이

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Subjekt: Re: Profiling doesn't mean that every single Muslim would be subjected to special searches

Artful Dodger:

White Supremacist Timothy McVeigh carried out the Oklahoma City Bombing aided by Terry Nichols. Should we profile single Caucasian males of Irish Catholic descent? What about potential white supremacists, say people who look Germanic or with blond hair and blue eyes? After all, we don't want another Oklahoma City bombing. When was the last time profiling along these lines occurred and a Caucasian person was given a hard time at an airport or office building?

I can understand the logic behind profiling. However, the problem is that racial profiling targets individuals based on a physical stereotype. Italians must be mafiosi. Latin Americans deal in drugs. Blacks are all gansgstas who are really good at basketball. Russians are either communists or gansters. Now we translate those stereotypes into "forensic profiles" and target individuals in those communities.

Here in Canada the a newspaper did a study and found that black motorists were three times more likely to be stopped by police officers, even though blacks make up less than 3% of the population. Anybody can see that there is something wrong because between profiling and racism there is a very fine line.

29. marca 2010, 22:36:15

Ferris Bueller

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Subjekt: Re: Profiling doesn't mean that every single Muslim would be subjected to special searches

Übergeek 바둑이: Good posts! If it happens to you, how many other non-asian were unfairly targeted for profiling? One negative experience of incompetent profiling can signify that there are many more. If profiling is so effective, lets just go the next step - put all middle eastern Muslims in internment camps or "ghettos" so we can have better "control" over them.

30. marca 2010, 02:44:30

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Subjekt: Re:And MOST "peaceful" Muslims have remained silent on the issue. FEW have condemned it openly.

Artful Dodger: Ohhhh yes they have.

30. marca 2010, 03:04:31

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Subjekt: Re:And MOST "peaceful" Muslims have remained silent on the issue. FEW have condemned it openly.

Artful Dodger: Can you name which some? The groups in the Uk seem to be very vocal over what's happening and (as I said) helping the UK police and security forces in this troubled time. Many other countries Muslims are helping as well I hear.

30. marca 2010, 09:26:23

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Subjekt: Re:The UK has a HUGE Muslim problem. It's out of control.

Artful Dodger: Do we? Can you show me where you get your info for such a statement. Quite frankly.. it doesn't seem to be true. The local army base has not needed to have armed guards on the gates for ages. A more accurate measure I feel than some government 'alert'.

"but I'm speaking specifically about Muslim terrorists and what should be the reaction of the US regarding profiling policies."

The USA is just one country who is at risk of attack, we in Europe have had to deal with actual terrorism as I said for decades. That gives us a different attitude then you in the USA.

We cannot in the UK just forget or drop worries about other terrorist groups such as the IRA, especially when splinter groups from the main are trying to kick it all off again. It is totally unsafe to do so. Just because you in the USA did not feel the effects of that terrorism does not make it less important.

That we've had several white supremacist attacks and attempts makes us in Europe (and Russia seeing as there has been a significant rise in white folk killing non white folk) makes us concerned over what is going on. It was only last year when one Nazi lover was jailed for attempting to blow up people in the UK. The only thing that stopped him was him getting drunk and stopped for D&D by the police.

Islam, like Christianity does not condone suicide. It more so forbids the taking of non-combatants. Those who fight under the Islamic banner may use the name, but like those Christians who have used God as an excuse to kill with a clear conscience it is a perversion of the faith.