Iamon lyme: I can make that effect in the tub.

Artful Dodger: "I can make that effect in the tub."

The water looks like that in your tub? How often do you take a bath?



oh, you meant the bubbles... never mind.

Iamon lyme:

Artful Dodger: That pretty much sums it up.

Iamon lyme: Well then, that's the "end" of it tonight. I'm off to

mckinley: "I didn't say slavery had nothing to do with the war. I said it was about economics and not morals."

Apparently I don't know what you mean by morals. I'm not able to separate morals from what goes on in our daily lives, and I think it may have played a bigger part in politics back then than it does now.

But assuming ecomonics was the major reason and driving force behind the civil war (and slavery only a sideline issue?), then can you explain what part economics played in sparking that war?

My understanding is the tension between the North and South led to the South wanting to secede from the Union, and it appears you are saying the reason for that tension had more to do with economics than with slavery. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I'm just trying to understand what you mean.

If the South's economy was not so closely tied to slavery, and Northern abolitionists were not against slavery, then how could economic forces alone have played a part in sparking the war? Are you saying the war had more to do with money than with ideological differences? If so, what did the South have that the North wanted so badly it was willing to go to war for it?

If you could tell me what you mean by economic reasons for the war, I'd have a better idea of what you are talking about.

mckinley: Also, what did you mean when you first said you didn't know who you wanted for president?

If you are a Democrat and will vote for the Democratic candidate, then does it really matter who you want for president? And if you give Obama another four years to continue doing what he has been doing, do you believe your Southern economy will fare better under Obama than with Romney? Does party loyalty trump any and all other considerations? It doesn't with me.

I don't care what the candidates call themselves, I care about what they will do once they are in office... and Obama has already answered that question for me. A few years down the road if someone complains to me that he has made the US a laughing stock in the eyes of the world, and has irreversibly crippled our economy and our ability to defend ourselves from our enemies, all I'll be able to say is "I didn't vote for him."

mckinley: [ "I didn't say slavery had nothing to do with the war. I said it was about economics and not morals." ]

The only way that can make sense is if you meant the war was lost because of economics, and not because of morality. I assumed you were talking about why there was a war to begin with.

No one in the North is judging y'all for losing the civil war. lol

Iamon lyme: The Civil War was son long ago I don't even remember it happening.

Artful Dodger: "The Civil War was so long ago I don't even remember it happening."

I wouldn't be surprised if some people are still fighting that war. "The war is over great great grandpa, and I don't even know why I'm talking to you about it because you died a long time ago."

There are times I feel like I'm talking to people who believe brains are fertilizer for their hair. One day when I was walking to work a white racist stopped to talk to me, and he assumed I would agree with him because we are both white. Then half a block down the street from him a black guy stops me to complain about me enslaving his people. At that point I coudn't take it anymore, so I told him that I freed all of my slaves over 15 years ago and got them all jobs at the buggy whip factory... he thought I was just as insane as the white guy thought I was for not agreeing with him.

Iamon lyme: Guys like Sharpton and Jackson have to keep the slave complaint alive or else they are out of a job.