I'm not sure that it should be deleted, but possible a way for users to get our of them without getting counted as loses.

Why
1) Pawns & Knights have limits on the # of tournaments, and they would not have joined such a big tournament if it was not a prize tournament.

2) Many only sign up for tournaments with shorter turn limit. In this case, the tournament was changed to 30 days between moves, which could make the tournament even longer.

that Fencer can change it back to its advertised time control?

... which is why it is good to discuss it here - to hopefully get the rules changed so they are not exploited by certain players.

one thing for a tournament, and then just before starting it, change everything. Just because it is allowed under the "rules" doesn't mean it meets the spirit of the rules. The rules were never intended to allow for this sort of abuse. People are upset. Tournaments are for the players, not the person who starts the tournament. If someone advertises "fast start..first five....3 day limit" and then changes it to first 10 and a 30 day limit without letting the players know, it's simply wrong. It's a bit arrogant, IMO, to decieve people and then cite the "rules" as a defence for the misleading falsehood.

huh? - what 180 degree change?

You brought up how some people are able to "hold up tournament" - I defend that because it is "within the rules", but at the same time I suggest other possible time systems here - possible having one like DailyGammon has.

Why I don't defend what you have done (even though it is in the rules) is because you are purposly trying to mess people up and cause trouble. (Where most (NOT ALL) of the people who hold up tournaments usually have a reason - which is not just to mess others up). But at the same time, I have made suggestions on rule changes that should also be made to the tournament so things like you have done does not happen again.

... and the ability of people removing their own post should also be changed - why discuss something if you don't want your view known?

Privacy - I still think there are big privacy issues with this site, but I know that few others feel the same way I do, so I will live with it. I don't know if I'll renew my membership because of it when it comes time, but I've had my say about the issue so there is little reason for me to talk about that issue anymore.

Well obviously reading between the posts many posts have been deleted...as usual...he does it all the time...that isnt anything new:) Im pleased to see that the world has awoken to the the LJ phenomenon...now I probably wont be told """Which one, children?""" or some such remark when I post something about LJ, cause now all of us are doing it.....How times change, and "how the worm turns"

I queried a tournament of his long before all this hit the fan only to be abused (by LJ)and cried down by some of the people who are now jumping up and down...

bad luck I say :)...learn to live with it and pick your tournaments....LindaJ's seems to be the real go and it is backed by those that count at BrainKing...Fencer and His Staff :)

I agree with BBW...the ability to remove your own post should be removed..it makes nonsense of real peoples conversations.

and yes "why discuss something if you dont want your view known"

This is TOURNAMENTS. If you have a personal issue with anyone take it elsewhere.
Also, copying and pasting from one part of BK to another contravenes the BK rules.

We all know what happened concerning the said tournament(s). Let's put the topic to bed.

If you have any constructive criticism concerning the avoidance of a repeat performance, feel free to post BUT posts containing personal attacks will be deleted.

if that is directed at me, Im sorry :( but will swear that no part of that post or any other of mine on here is a copy paste from any other board.

I stand scolded Bumble and as long as -------- keeps off my back....
the name will be like 2 four letter words and i wont use it again :)

Your right bumble,LJ deleted me three times from the tourney adn my Father and my Brother and Chatty.Hope Chatty gets back on soon i like playing her.would you like a Game bumble

CCan any one let me know how to start Tournaments at our WHAM BAM fellowship?

Yes, bring up the tournament.

then click the link that says "Back to the list of game types"

You will then see the "Close" option to close the tournament. And then you will see the "Start" option to start the tournament.

Let me know if you need more help!

You won't go wrong with BBW guiding you, UNIV. EYES. He's the master of the Tournament around here! I wouldn't like to guess how many he's created.

813 tournaments currently finnished/running/waiting signups on the main tournament boards & my Battleboat & Backgammon fellowships.

This does not include a couple of "test" tournaments created that were not really played out, and that does not include MANY tournament that were created and then wiped out when BK crashed and we went back a few months.

.... since you asked. :-)

LOL.. do you keep that info written down BBW? its an impressive record!

Update: -- 815 --

You can click on "My Tournament", and choose all... and that will list all the main tournaments.

That's something to howl at!! :) I really like his fast starts. Those are my favs. Thanks BBW.

Terrific going BBW!! I bet No.1000 is going to be really special!

Only one more day to sign up for Madmonkeys 'Gammon' Stakes (3) tourny, all 5 variations to choose from :o)

One week left for signing up in the 2004 First Quarter Opens.
March 28th.

The prize tournament starts in exactly one week. If you have not done so you can enter HERE and make a donation to brainking all at the same time. Prizes include $50 to the overall winner and a 6 month free brain knight membership to each section winner. Please enter. This tournament promises to be great fun and exciting to see who the winners will be. Thanks ;•)

Hi all, probs sorted so donation made finally of 41 Euro = $50
Dollar donation tourny
So along with the 20.5 Euro that Harley pledged (50cents per player, so hopefully you will remember to send it in) Thats 61.5 Euro = $75
Thanks for those that joined :o)
Steve

Good job Steve! You too Harley! ;•)

I would like to do another prize tourney as my other is just about to come to an end.
Can i have some suggestions on what people would like please ?

1000000$ would be nice

Ha ha ha ha!! i mean the game! the prize will be a membership !Lol

Do something other than Gammons Chatty :o) every body does that.
Maybe a line game for a change

Thats what i was think steve... I know there are a lot of gammon games.. but really don't know what else is popular!!!

Have a look at the ratings page, 5 in line is popular, or spiderline 4 etc

Thats the problem Chatty... It almost has to be a game with a measure of luck to it, so anyone who joins at least has a sense of a chance to win. Otherwise, it is only an exercize in patients for the expert player, who will ultimatley win, if they dont get too bored waiting for the tournament to end.

Stevies faves tourny

Games:
• Checkers
• Gothic Checkers
• Turkish Checkers
• Five in Line
• Reversi 6x6
• Reversi 8x8
• Anti Reversi
Have fun and enjoy the games,
Steve :o)

Maybe you could find others who want to offer a prize tournament, and make several 'flights' of a game, each offering a membership?

The only problem with doing a "line" game is that I can already pick the 2 or 3 people who will probable win the thing. :-(

Battleboats? There anyone has a chance! :-)

A tourny thing isnt a chance thing, its a competition for god sake LOL
I think its stupid when players leave a tourny or wont enter it, just cos best player is in it. Everyone is human and makes mistakes sometime. And I am happy when I get to a final against a player like that.
If you are bothered by a certain player winning all the time, then just stick to pleasure games.
You dont see F1 racers not entering a race for a prize etc, just because Ferrari always win. see what I mean?

Normally the winner would give a prize to a pawn or knight anyway if they are a Rook etc already, so whats the problem.

I can only speak for myself Steve, But I think you play a tournament to win. If you want to play a game for fun, or to get experience, tournaments are not the place. Tournaments are for winning.

Thats why I suggested flights.... all players between 1700 to 2000 for example.... I know people make mistakes etc, but no one ranked at 2600 is going to lose to someone ranked 1500.
BUt there are also games with more luck involved ie battleboats, and backgammon, where most people feel like they at least have a chance to win.

Looking at what you have all ben inputting.. I reckon a game of chance will be best :)
I want to make it fair to all...
Also as steve says, a lot of us rooks would probably give the prize to a pawn anyway..

I want to make it as fair as possible, Also your idea IMupChucKing is good too... I could run 2.. one for the higher ranked.. one for the lower...

I was going to do a years membership.. but I could split it into 2 six months..

anymore suggestions/help appreciated

you could also make it between highly ranked members only in a game of skill with the prize going to the pawn of their choice. (may be not greedy enough)

Now that is a brilliant idea too rogue :)

I agree, if it is going to be bracketed, the game doesnt have to be one of luck...
Although you run into the occasional problem of someone like Arnie addick in reversi, who is a top player, but who recently had some problems and was ranked at about 1000 or so. Plus there is always the unranked player who is very good also, so you would have to watch for that also :)

The better player usually wins, unlike regular Chess where the better player almost always wins.
It has luck. Even the lowest rated player can win against the top player.
It has bluff. Nothing like throwing a Rook out there when the other player can attack it with his Queen, but doesn't know if its guarded or not.
Since the boards are dark, the players can't analyze their opponent's position for days on end, or get a computer to help, or have kibitzers and friends help them any more than they can help themselves.
If you haven't played the game, it's kind of like Stratego and Battleship combined, with the movement of Chess.

I hadn't even heard of Dark Chess until a couple of years ago. I'd sure like a home version. It'd take two screens and a game console or computer to run it. I imagine such a set up could be used for other games too. Even more screens hooked up for other games. Just use two for Dark Chess. Does anyone know if such a machine is made or can be configured with current store bought stuff?

Does adding a prize help one's tournament have more people in it? The Dark Chess tournament that I'm going to start this weekend doesn't have a prize except for bragging rights. You guys have me wondering if it matters about the prizes or not. I like to play the games, prizes or no prizes. I suppose it wouldn't be too much of an expense to add money to my tournament, but I'm reluctant to do it for some reason. Perhaps I'll do it in the second tournament, if I run a second tournament that is.

As general statement about offering prizes I will say that I think on a game site like this one that games with some chance in them will probably cut down on the players that will use computers to help them play their games. Choosing a game that's not as well known, or hasn't been analyzed a lot is probably a better choice. I would avoid games like regular chess, five in line, Pente, checkers, and games simular to them that have perfect information in the play of them. Even my old Chess Master 5500 could play in a tournament given a few days for each move and hold its own against some of the best players in the world while on this old 486 66 MHz machine I use here. If you're going to choose those kind of games, I wouldn't offer a prize.
2¢

Actually I think tournaments are an excellent place to 'learn' games. My first game of both Maharaja and Janus chess was played (or is being played) in a tournament. ;)

:) OK, I'll tell you. You're wrong! :)

What is it that you're wrong about?
I didn't find any posts by you on the front page here. Is it in someone else's post where they refer to you? Perhaps you've inadvertantly posted your query here when you meant to post it to another discussion board?

Just over a day left to enter one of the tournaments that are waiting. Dark Chess or Extinction Chess.

Why cant I see the message to start the tournament? The date has passed, etc.

Oh tournament guy this ones for you BBW

Dragon - In a Fellowship tournament, it is a little more tricky

1) Go to the tournament you set up.
2) Click on the link that says "Back to the list of game types"
3) There you will see the "Close" button
4) Then you will see the "start" button

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Linda - Took me an extra minute to find out what kind of tournament he had. :-)

LOL that's ok BBw you're worth the wait your help is always good.