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Zmenené užívateľom SMIRF Engine (3. októbra 2005, 22:18:14)
Pythagoras: you have started an interesting testing approach! It has already helped me to identify a bug. So I wonder for what I should hope - at least to find more bugs?
Zmenené užívateľom Chicago Bulls (4. októbra 2005, 23:24:15)
Round 3 continued with an easy win for me against Zillions of Games and a long game that ended with a win for the newer Smirf 1.19 against the older version Smirf 0.59. In this game SM0.59 played better the early middlegame after also a slighly better opening play, but SM1.19 managed to outplay it in the long run and get into a clear won endgame, that managed to win easily.......
Round 3 Me - ZoG = 1-0
SM1.19 - SM0.59Z = 1-0
G.V bye....
I should note that the above PGN, in order to be pasted into Smirf has to be "fixed" first, as the Brainking posts-system breaks the line with the FEN......
Zmenené užívateľom Chicago Bulls (5. októbra 2005, 17:25:41)
Smirf 1.19 has been updated to Smirf 1.20. Although updating engines in the middle of a tournament, is not an appropriate way of testing the programs, i will make this update. For any new updates i will first finish this tournament and then include the newer versions in a new one and compare the final results.....
Oh my, oh my! Smirf 1.20 blew it! In its game against G.V it had a winning position but it didn't
managed to find the winning move and not only this but it lost at the end.....The opening phase wasn't
the best for both and Smirf seemed a bit better. After some nice moves by Smirf, that GV didn't expect, Smirf took a small advantage but GV managed to equalize and it even thought it was slightly
better. After a good move by Smirf (25...Bd5!) followed by a nice plan to attack the white's King, GV started to worry and at move 34 thought it was losing. The only thing Smirf had to do was to find 34...Cj4+ and then after 35.Ki1 Bg2! white is clearly losing.....But it played some moves that was out of what game required, so it lost the advantage and at the and it lost the game too. After Smirf lost its attack, GV easily outplayed Smirf especially at the endgame. The opposite happened in the middlegame, but that was not enough for Smirf.
In the other game, although at the start Smirf didn't let me use my anti-comp strategy of: creating a strong quiet attack,let it prevail in the non-King side and then unlease my attack, i've managed to take advantage that its King was exposed and with a poisonous Rook sacrifice i've created an
unstopable attack, so i won......
Round 4 SM0.59 - Me = 0-1
G.V - SM1.20 = 1-0
ZoG bye....
Pythagoras: you can of course use that version, you want to test. But because SMIRF's development is going on, there will exist new versions each time I fixed some errors or I implemented new ideas. So in short there will be one with better fork handling and slightly improved speed (about 5%). Thank you very much for your tournament. I always take some experiences from that!
Zmenené užívateľom Chicago Bulls (5. októbra 2005, 20:57:50)
What i would like to see in future Smirf versions:
a)Play the 34...Cj4+ move and then 35...Bg2! in the below game.
b)Not play early in the opening Bxc6 or Bxh6 giving its Bishop for a Knight.
c)Stop exchanging a Chancellor or an Archbishop for a Rook and a Knight or Bishop, without seeing any combination that gains immediate advantage.....
Because is not convenient at all to download each version, uninstall the old and then installing the newer, can you invent a simpler method?
Also is the above procedure i'm doing the most easy? I mean, is there any other way of installing the newer versions......?
Zmenené užívateľom SMIRF Engine (9. októbra 2005, 19:51:53)
Pythagoras: Well, there is an alternative method for experienced users. After having SMIRF installed once you could expand the file http://www.chessbox.de/Down/TestPackB.zip into your SMIRF program folder. This ZIP will contain the new non DLL parts of the project. Simply overwrite everything there. But be aware, that all is still beta. Version 1.21 probably will be released tomorrow. (P.S.: now it exists.) (P.P.S.: now 1.23.) (P³.S.: now 1.24.)
The DLLs are packed into a (probably) constant file http://www.chessbox.de/Down/ConstDLL.zip. This would enable you e.g. to install SMIRF onto a memory stick by expanding both ZIP files into one new folder.
Anencephal: How did you get this number? SMIRF is selecting valid candidates among those 48000 numbers. Almost every second one would be illegal. Thus the selecting process is essential.
SMIRF Engine: Sorry, I didn't know the rule about queen and archbishop, so calculated possible start position to be 84000
I thought 48000 is number of valid starts, my first manual selection (760) was illegal
Anencephal: well this additional rule has two reasons: a) to have more balanced starting arrays, b) to avoid a need for a 7-choice, if the position would be created by the use of traditional dice. 48000 is the number of possible CANDIDATES for starting positions, but only those could be selected with protected Pawns. SMIRF would do that for you. Or you could start a CRC game at BrainKing.
Hi, I've got two questions about CRC:
1) Why would initial positions with unprotected pawns be forbidden? In Chess960 there are also initial positions with unprotected pawns. (and it's not stated in the brainking rules).
2) How is castling performed? The BK rules state that the final position is like chess, but that's not possible due to the different board sizes.
Luke Skywalker: a) As seen in http://brainking.com/de/ArchivedGame?g=1111972 CRC is sufficiently complex even without unprotected pawns. So having 48000 candidates it seems to be a good idea to select those about 40% more stable starting arrays.
b) The king could castle with the c-side Rook and becoming placed at the third file (c) from left, or with the i-side Rook and becoming placed at the second file from right (i). The Rook will find its place then on the King's inner neighbour square.
WhisperzQ: That current game (as of this post) is not over. The previous game (click on the number "1" on the page) was completed, and they started the game there.
Grim Reaper is no longer able to reply to messages or to post on the message boards. That's why we haven't heard from him in awhile. beyond that I don't know anything else (you'll have to contact ed to know any more, I'm just the messenger).
I haven't much time lately that's why i didn't run any new rounds. I'm back at normal now......
Round 5 continued with an adventure win for me against GV. What a game! Game started after the opening with a favourable for me position, as i had set up for a typical "Gothic Vortex" attack and at
this point it seemed clear to me that G.V could not resist in any way.....My anti-comp game leading to an invisible for GV attack worked perfectly! And after 19.Ci3 i was sure that my attack was unstopable!
But the damn GV proved with precise moves, that there was a defense and after my primary attack
lost its power, GV seemed better. Then i created a smaller attack but again it was obvious that it will not lead anywhere....The final position before the endgame? I had a Bishop and a Rook against the
Queen of GV with a semi-open position, being one Pawn behind too. GV played generally wrong the
endgame allowing my h2-Pawn to advance to h7 so the game was draw anyway since GV had the option of
repeating the moves, giving checks.......
But then G.V played a terrible move -64...d3??- not continuing the series of checks and i immediatelly found the easy win......The bad thing for G.V is that after all exchanges that led to a position Rook+Bishop+1Pawn for me against 7 Pawns of GV, didn't show a decisive advantage for me but only a slight one......
This is logical since the capturing of Pawns would occur after many maneuvers and many plies later,
but todays programs are not "bean counters" that have to reach many plies to see the truth, but they
are supposed to be more knowledgeable.....GV is not a bean counter but not so knowledgeable as it has
to travel a long way until this happens.....
There was also the win of Zillions of Games against Smirf 0.59. I have underestimated ZoG after all! It is showing a rather nice performance...... ZoG in this game, ouplayed SM0.59 completely......
Round 5 Me - GV = 1-0
ZoG - SM0.59 = 1-0
SM1.20 bye....
Zmenené užívateľom SMIRF Engine (23. októbra 2005, 03:44:47)
Pythagoras:
a) Good to see you continuing your engine testing.
b) If you would edit your posting end replace the line break inserted by brainking in the X-FEN line by a space, we would become able to load the game by cut and paste.
c) SMIRF now has come to the version 1.29, but it still will be improved.
d) If you would be interested in SMIRF's special Perft results (completely analyzing moves e.g. whether they are check threats or even mates) you could see SMIRF's current results here:
FEN: rnbqckabnr/pppppppppp/10/10/10/10/PPPPPPPPPP/RNBQ CKABNR w KQkq - 0 1
I see Pythagoras and his matches with Vortex and other programs being posted here and I thought you should all know there is a completely new version of the program that is super strong now. Ed has reworked the engine almost from the ground up.
A summary of what has been changed/added/enhanced:
-Intelligent 7-piece and 6-piece search extensions
-Partial 6-piece tablebase slices
-High Frequency Filtering
-Retuned Quick/Detailed Evaluation Function
-New Piece Weights
-Nonlinear King Tropism Matrices
For a very long and interesting description of what this means, here is the link:
Round 6 had me lose for the first time and that was with my favourite at this game white pieces! My bad opening play and especially my awful 15.Ng3?? decided the game immediately.......
Gothic Vortex from the other side, had an easy win against Zillions of Games......The game from ZoG's side was too stupid to give it.....If anyone is interested just say it, to post it....
Round 6 Me - SM1.20 = 0-1
ZoG - GV = 1-0
SM0.59 bye....
Pythagoras: Thank you for performing that tournament! I simply want to explain, that because of SMIRF's multi-reiterative approach the size of the used cache is very important. It should be set to 80 MB or 160 MB if possible.
So Zillions of Games shows a nice performance! I didn't expected this.... At Round 7 it beat with black Smirf 1.20 with a strange way. The opening moves was not good for Smirf nor ZoG but Smirf managed to play better and had a slighly better position, although it has shown a much more optimistic evaluation. I thought it would win but it played some dubious moves and after a crushing attack by ZoG it lost the game......
The other game needs no comments, Gothic Vortex scored a point convincingly against the old Smirf 0.59.
Round 7 SM1.20 - ZoG = 0-1
GV - SM0.59 = 1-0
Me bye....
By the way the interesting match GV Gold II beta against Smirf 1.29 continues at: this site.
Also after my current tournament will finish, i will play with the newer at that time Smirf (if it will be available) using a small opening book i'm developing in order to give it much better play....
What a difference playing blitz is versus turn based! There are some very strong blitz players emerging on http://www.GothicChessLive.com playing some amazing games. Check out this one:
One of the players Ed calls the "Bobby Fischer of Gothic Chess", his name is Cartaphilus. Cartaphilus has beaten some strong players from BrainKing, like:
ChessCarpenter: But ist is curious, that only 29 of the 150 members have played at least one game .Are the most players not able to play a 10 minutes game?
Zmenené užívateľom Chicago Bulls (28. októbra 2005, 12:21:33)
I want to see Pythagoras play Cartaphilus, that would be a great game!
And what if Cartaphilus is the Robert Fischer himself....? I mean what he has more to do in the cold Iceland from playing games....?
By the way is there any progress on Bobby Vs Garry event......?
I was online the last 2 days on GCLive for about half an hour but nobody played me because nobody was there. Are any scheduled times that i should log in?
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