In 2000, a group called PNAC (Project for a New American Century) issued a document called "Rebuilding America's Defenses." Project participants included Paul Wolfowitz, "Scooter" Libby, & William Kristol, among others. This was a Neo-Con document.

In this document, Brzezinski's imperial strategy was elaborated upon, in terms of a need to establish a "Full Spectrum Dominance" over the world, militarily speaking. This includes complete control over air, ground, land, space & information.

It was noted in the document that regime change in Iraq is required, and that removing Saddam Hussein provided a justifiable pretext, but was not the real reason. It also pointed out what Brzezinski had initially noted, that the money required for this grand project would not likely be forthcoming unless "a new Pearl Harbor" awakened the American people to danger from abroad. Many of the Neo-Cons contributing to this Project held key positions in the Bush administration.

The Usurper: Look, if your only objective here is to promote some sort of conspiracy agenda, then you are better of moving to another country....

In June 2001, American diplomats warned the Taliban that, if they did not cooperate with the Northern Alliance, and thus provide a stable environment for Unocal's projected oil pipeline, they would see bombs over Afghanistan "before the first snows fall in October." Between June & October, 9/11 happened. On October 7, American bombs began falling on Afghanistan. Now a map reveals that U.S. military bases line the exact route planned for a pipeline to extend from Central Asia, through Afghanistan & Pakistan, to the Indian Ocean.

The Usurper: some reference please....

Czuch: Conspiracy agenda? Yes, that's what I allege. The PNAC document can be read online here:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Brzezinski's book can be purchased here:
http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Chessboard-American-Geostrategic-Imperatives/dp/0465027261

Our ultimatum to Afghanistan can be found by googling. I missed the date: not June but July. The message to the taliban was: "accept our carpet of gold, or you will receive a carpet of bombs."

Yet, this is not a conspiracy in the sense that this information is not in the public domain. It is. Yet it is, ultimately, conspiratorial in its essence. And it is not reported on by the Mainstream Media.

Brzezinski, the Neo-Cons, and other "hate mongers" you allude to, are not small fish in a big pond. They are powerful people who control foreign policy.

Czuch: still to early..the guy has been in for a month..I let GW get a full term under his belt before I started bitching

Czuch: You are absolutely right, the people of America have no interest in ruling the world. But our leaders not only have a big interest in it, but a big financial stake in it. Because of the reluctance of the American people, Brzezinski (the so-called "liberal") and the Neo-Cons (the so-called "conservatives") recognized the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" to motivate the American people to get about the business of Empire-building. Naturally, they don't call it by that name. But the documents reveal (and many more besides), that Empire-building is what is actually taking place.

Czuch: I voted for no one. The only one I seriously considered was Ron Paul, an extreme conservative, but a true one, who denounced America's imperial goals abroad.

Who was at fault for Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac failing?  Not Bush.  He pushed for regulation and was blocked by the Dems in congress:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

And Bill O'Reilly was right about that idiot Barney Frank.   He's largely responsible for this mess along with ALL the democrats.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAuOEdttjZQ

Czuch: Ron Paul also denounced the Federal Reserve & the bail-out of the banks, i.e., the lack of Capitalist principles in the highest reaches of government. With one side of the mouth, Free Enterprise is tauted as the end-all be-all by corporate leaders & politicians. On the other side of the mouth, they refuse to be disciplined by the free market for their bad monetary decisions, but demand to be saved from its ravages.

What these documents reveal, is that American leaders saw the "need" for a Pearl Harbor-like catastrophe, and recognized that such a catastrophe would promote their global agenda. This establishes motive.

Objection: Perhaps this establishes motive, but it is still impossible to believe American leaders would resort to such deceit & treachery, in actually carrying out a "false-flag" operation that would destroy American lives.

This is a natural objection, and a good one, at first glance. However, I will supply evidence in further posts which overrule it, demonstrating that American leaders will, and have, done such things in the past.

Czuch: "well, i have to admit that i was writing that last post at the same time you were, and it is astounding to me... maybe that is the difference we share, you see a government separate from the people, and I am naive enough to still see a government of the people?"

I missed this post by you. I just found it, rereading the board. You make a good point. You see a government of the people, and I see a government separate from the people. This is certainly a difference in our viewpoints.

We agree, however, that the government SHOULD be of the people, and not separate from it. My position is that our government leaders have their own, basically unified, agenda, which is not representative in nature but imperialistic, and also consists in so regimenting the people's lives that they become essentially slaves to a system which meets the needs of the dominant class. Naturally, keeping the "left" & "right" at each other's throats, without truly resolving issues one way or the other, is a reliable means of distraction.

The Usurper: Our labour gov has had to rescue various banks. The banks even tried saying sorry for all this mess........ It was rather a pathetic attempt seeing as they wouldn't take responsibility for their actions leading to this credit crises.

As for riots in the UK... We protest, usually peacefully... It's traditional.

I get the feeling that "Prison Planet" is a little too filled of conspiracy theories.

(V): Perhaps so, but the articles are quoting economists, officials & newspaper reports, not Prison Planet employees. :o)

Hey, at least you and I don't agree on everything. Or perhaps we do...and THIS is a conspiracy. lol

*chomp, chomp*

dogs ear.....

"Barack Obama Administration Continues US Military Global Dominance"

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12350

Here's an interesting article on the campaign money Obama got from military sources (more than McCain), on Obama's continuation of the global agenda, and on the conflicts-of-interest within Congress, etc.

I didn't get this at Prison Planet so perhaps even my good friend (V) will not disparage the source. :o)

(V): "As for riots in the UK... We protest, usually peacefully... It's traditional."

Just wait till you run out of tea. Even Benny Hill won't get away. lol :o)

--A government document called "Vision for 2020", authored by the United States Space Command in February 1997, describes the "domination of the space dimension of military operations to protect U.S. interests and investments. Integrating Space Forces into warfighting capabilities across a full spectrum of conflict."--

Notice the domination of Space is not to protect Americans at home, but "U.S. interests and investments" abroad. This includes neutralizing the deterrence capabilities of foreign powers whom we choose to invade. Here it is:

http://www.middlepowers.org/gsi/docs/vision_2020.pdf

The Usurper: We run out of tea... NeVeR.

Anyways, it's usual for people to have a protest or two in the summer, or in certain cases all year round.. eg the major London airports wanting more runways.

.... One group bought a plot of land in the site of the one of the proposed and sold small squares over the internet. Truckers doing go slow convoys down motorways over fuel prices, millions descending on London to protest against GWII and it's legality.

Petitions are a favourite, sometimes national newspapers run some in cases of particular public interest and eye.

We tend to remind our government who they work for.

The Usurper: It's like a script from the film "Soldier"

(V): I haven't seen the film, but sometimes fiction is an accurate reflection of reality, and sometimes reality is more bizarre than fiction. :o)

(V): Those are strong and valuable traditions of protest. We have a tradition of protest also, I'm not sure how effective it is. Anything that will ensure the steady supply of tea-time (or in my case, tobacco & coffee) commodities, is worthy of any civil action, up to and including the overthrow of the government. lol

Tuesday: Amen to that. Otherwise I'd have to ask the government for a handout to upgrade my membership. lol

The Usurper: Damn right!! If the government ain't doing it's job, or tries to employ bully boy techniques to dominate it's people rather then govern for the people. It's time for them to be removed.

Long live the people!!

The Usurper: It was a case of soldiers trained from birth to fight and kill without mercy the enemy. If an enemy used a civilian as a shield, tough for the civilian!!

Then the fighting moved from earth to places of value in space, moons, planets all for profit and greed.

... And man being man invents lovely things like planet killers the size of a small round BBQ...

... But in the plot, they don't allow for Kurt Russell

(V): not sure why you would want to entrust more and more power and money to a government that has the potential to abuse its power????

Long live the people???? Why not entrust the people more then???

Someone help me understand the logic of liberals like Usurper who have such disdain for the integrity of our government yet support us giving them more of our money and support more and more government into the control of our lives????

Czuch: You read my post wrong. I said the opposite. I'm all for revolution if necessary if the government goes to far. Several have gone on in the past by popular movement because those at the top didn't give a damn, except about themselves.

Not entrust, empower. Give the people the ability back that has been diminished by those with personal agenda's or fears that misused the tribe instinct to fill their own void with the false pretence that they are right.

And FYI I'm for less government intrusion, certain matters fine. But excuses are being made here in the UK to introduce more, rather then facing the truth.

... Actually some politicians recognise the truth, but others like spending!!

We've lived with propaganda for so many years... telling us "them" or "it", when if the people had actually the chance from both sides to sit down with a few beers and talk maybe we would have an "we".

so I just saw on the news that yet another bank is spending the bail out money by sending it's CEO's and clients to Beverly HIlls and throwing parties and crap for them.....here is my question..instead of the polaticians going on the TV bitching about the banks not being responsible...why don't they just say...well,then,we are taking the money back..HOW difficult would THAT be?? unreal!

Quote of the Day

"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline -- it helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer."


--Frank Zappa

Tuesday: Yes, American beer IS quite disgusting.

Tuesday: Try this or this one (the real Budweiser). Some of the best beer brands this Earth has ever seen. :)

Czuch: At least you are consistent. Ignore the questions/comments that challenge your worldview, especially the ones providing evidence...i.e., all those points I make that you can't answer. Instead, misrepresent something I have said, juxtapose it with something else I have said so as to seemingly provide a valid contradiction, etc. You aren't a serious debater. You don't seriously stand on "logic" in your so-called counterpoints. I still enjoy your posts, since they often provide me a "pretext" for discussing things that do matter, and that others will understand. :o)

Tuesday: :o)

Pedro Martínez: I don't drink much these days, but I do admit that Budweiser was my beer of choice back in my party days. I know American beers don't compare to European ones, or so I've heard. Like Tuesday, I haven't really tried any. My brother says American beer is not in the same league with German.

The Usurper:You aren't a serious debater. You don't seriously stand on "logic" in your so-called counterpoints.

I thought you were against ad hominem arguments.  I also thought you were the one that called for letting the arguments speak for themselves. 

BTW, having evidence is meaningless if it's not credible or acceptable.  In a trial, lawyers are always trying to discredit the other's submitted evidence.  Some evidence stands up to close scrutiny, some does not.  So simply claiming you provided "evidence" isn't enough.  It has to take us some where.  And spare me the repeat; I know the evidence takes you somewhere.  But it's got to do more than that.  How long have you looked into this 911 stuff?  If a long time, then why do you expect people to "take your word for it" and accept everything you say on face value?

If you've only looked at it a short time, that is worse.  That simply shows that you fall for something without really checking into it in a deep and meaningful way.

Keep the facts coming.  Keep the questions coming.  Challenge assumptions.  But don't do the very thing you have criticized in others:  "to the man" attacks. 

awwwwwwwww.......aint love grand :)

anastasia: You are right, that wouldn't be difficult at all. It is a prime example of how politicians "perform" for the public, while ignoring the obvious & going about their business of representing the money-lenders who bought them, not the voters who voted for them.