I did as I was told and now I have 14 backgammon losses. You know this really sucks. If it's that much trouble to remove me I think I'm going to quit this site again.
Don't give me that rating stuff. I didn't play the games. I didn't want in the tournament after it was changed without my being told or asked about it or given a chance to drop out of it. And now I have 14 losses without ever playing a game.
If that tournament is for real, then I guess I'm just another sucker who got caught in the fine print and minutiae of the legalese. So I'm saddled with 14 losses. OK, I think I will not ever play backgammon on this site and will drop out of the donation tournament before I'm stuck there too. Keep the five bucks. It was, after all, a donation.
As for naming names in these posts, I don't have problem with it. If someone I think needs my praise, I send it. And if I think someone needs ridicule or critism or both, I can't see why not to mention them. I can certainly send private messages too. I'll do what seems appropriate from my viewpoint.

And let me be clear about this, you are a chump LongJohn. If you're going to have a tournament under one set of rules and I join, fine.
But if you arbitrarily decide to change the rules without giving me a chance to accept it knowing full well that I might want out and can't do anything about it, you're a chump. To make such major changes without telling anyone is poor sportsmanship. Why couldn't you send a notice to all the current signed players that you've had a change or you couldn't afford the prize? Why couldn't you just delete the tournament and start a new one? Why did you start the tournament so fast after making those changes?
From what I read of the earlier posts it appears I should've paid a little more attention to the people that were questioning and critizing you and your motives.

Since I can't hold my breath for that long of a time and taking my ball home and not playing isn't much fun, I'll just go sulk in the corner and hope for the best.
A few questions for the rest. Am I and one other person the only ones that feel this way about this sorry situation? Or are you all OK with how this went down? Or will it just go away because it is just numbers on a screen and they don't mean nothing to nobody anyhow and in a few months it'll all be forgotten though not forgiven?

That said, may I also say that I think his tournament should be abolished and none of the games count. Or poll all the players that are currently in it and see which ones want to remain in a new one and then restart it.

SORRY IMupChucKing I WAS WRONG. In thinking that u was talk about me again. And so u and others know it's not only that tourney, it's all my games. That I have been tring to move fast on..

Sorry mrioupcity... I have not been talking about you in this discussion..... I had a problem with a couple of other users, long before the backgammon prize tournament started. I never knew if you were this type of player or not...thats why gave you the benefit of the doubt, and pointed it out to you in a PM, and since then you have made an honest effort to play this particular tournament, and it has been appreciated....

Again, I am sorry if you thought I was pointing you out... And to anybody else out there who thought I was using you in my example, I was not, and want everyone to know that you have made an effort, and do not purposly slow play to keep others from enjoying their play here :)

IMupChucKing
I just don't get it. I told u i was just tring to make a point. And I think I did it. As to me waiting tell last min's to do my move I have not been doing it. Oh and I'm sorry that I have found a life away from the puter. I thought this was a take your turn site but, guess I was wrong.

Agreed - I like that idea too.

Now that is a good idea - "Any proposed change in the starting date or playing times [or description] should immediately have a notice sent out to all signed up people" Then possible have a 24 hour wait before the tournament can be started so they can be given a change to stay or leave the tournament.

(NOTE: I think Fencer has going to work on a smarter tournament in BK2.0 where it will let pawn out once they are eliminated... I'm not 100% sure, but for some reason I was thinking that)

Creator will be allowed to edit a tournament but no changes will be applied until they are approved by an administrator.

I disagree with ImupChucKing. Just because the rules are the way they are now is no reason not to complain or to advocate changing them. Especially when certain people manipulate them in a way that's only fun for themselves and hurts other participants.
I feel that I was tricked into joining the "-" tournament and have been used for someone else's pleasure without anything in it for me or my permission. Since the rules won't allow Pawns to enter more than one tournament, they're screwed by these kind of actions.
The solutions are simple. Just give participants more say in what's happening and don't force them to stay in a tournament that they've been eliminated from. Any proposed change in the starting date or playing times of a tournament should immediately have a notice sent out to all signed up people that it's happening and they should be given a chance to stay or leave.
And like I said earlier, let the games one is playing count towards his limit, not the fact that some of them are tournament games or not.

You say the creator can do whatever (s)he wants with her/his tourney. You know, I was so pissed off when I learnt what the a*sho*e LondDick did with the Reversi tourney...I would never sign in a tourney like this "." sh*t. The creator shouldn't be allowed to edit a tourney.

Well apparently I have some control or say if Fencer now see's that some more/different rules needs to be in place. (How will Fencer know what needs changed/added without people letting him know?)

But I am sorry LJ - that was unlike me to actually name a person, where my post should have been about the rules that needed changed without mentioning yours (or anyones) name, so I appoligize for that.

Maybe help isnt wanted from certain players.


Good Its one of a few things that need changing about the tournys setup Fencer

agreed Fencer :)

;))

It seems that the rules need to be changed.

Well...I too am concerned that a new player wqill come to this site,and join a four day tournament, and then find out, because of one idiot, who purposly plays all his turns at the last possible minute, the tournament takes over a year to complete. I am concerned that this new person will get a bad impression too, and will not become a paying member...All because of one person who ruins it for everybody....

But, hey, thats their right, and if it is fun for them to play in a way that holds up 95 % of the other players, then, oh well, too bad so sad....its their right, and and the rest of us can just choose to not play with them, and if it happens to be someone new, who does not know, well then they will learn the hard way, just like everyone else.

I agree with you, that is not a good way to make an impression, and gain more paying members, but thats what the powers to be want, and thats the way it will be until the powers that be decide that whats god for the majority is more important than the enjoyment of a few individuals....

I do beg your pardon Steve, I'll not try to help next time :o)

Well I know that I will not enter any of his tournaments, and I'm sure that the people burnt by him this time and others reading this board will do the same.

What I'm worried about are the new users - the ones who are new to this site, not reading these message boards but entering a cool prize tournament. Then without any notice, it's gone.

I do not think this is the image that this site and us fellow gamers want to be sent to these new users - these new users who if they find things they like on this site, might then in turn support this site with $$ by buying a membership. These are the people that I'm worried about - these are the people that I want to see the best that this site has to offer.

Fencer said that a tournament creator can do whatever they want with tournaments....That covers all your questions, with one answer.

I'm certain that leaving it alone, will have a much better effect, than continuing to fight it. Don't play in his tournaments, I'm sure most will follow suit, and no one will have to worry about what he does anymore. He can play in his own tournaments by himself, and change the rules all day long.

ummm Harley, read what I put, I know its a final duh.

Rather than me having to look through all my many running tournys, someone has a pm telling them it needs doing

When has Fencer answered that? I'll admit there are a lot of post and I might have missed something, but I don't ever remember hearing an answer.

(Unless you are confusing where Fencer said that the tournament creator can exclude anyone that they want from the tournament - which is different then the question I'm asking.)

Scrabble - I meant to start it last night. (I'm at work right now & I dont' have my scrabble sign-in information here right now) :-)

That question has been asked and answered by Fencer. Just because you do not like the answer, or agree with it, doesn't matter.

If the rules, and the creator say it is okay, then it is okay, period. Leave it alone. This is a game site, go play some games, like you said already, you are not on customer service anyway ;)

BTW, are you gonna play me in scrabble or what???

What do I say when they ask me why they are now stuck in a 30 day move backgammon tournament which when they signed up says that it was a prize tournament that WAS NOT going to start until 200 people signed up - but is now not a prize tournament, no idication it every was (since name & description is gone), and now they are not allowed to enter any other tournaments.

Yes, the tournament creator can do this.... but should they be allowed to? That is the real question.

Its not that difficult BBW...If someone askes you why the tournament has no name.... you PM them that it is because the tournament creator has wanted it that way, period!

Steve, '+1' on your main page is normally a final round in a tourney, not a new tournament starting. If you go through your running tourneys you should find one that the second round is waiting to start.

funny IMCK....

Don't know how you see me looking at the running tournament list and noticing 10+ tournaments with the same name (or no name) as spying on him... but whatever.

... and what messes up many people on this site is a concern to me. I'm not part of the "Customer Service" on this site, but I do often help pawn and new players with questions and such - and when they come to me asking why some of the tournaments have no names anymore, well there you go!

But you are right - My point of the post should have been about rules about naming tournaments and not pointing out certain people. (And changing names & descriptions before/during/after tournaments have started/ended)

Leave him alone BW.... You recently had a beef with someone 'spying' on you in here and reporting your actions and movements on discussion boards etc... Why do you do the same thing you recently complained about someone else doing? It does not matter 'why' people do what they do here. It is their right to play and have fun anyway they choose. If it 'messes them up' or 'upsets' them, is no concern of yours, or anyone elses, just stay away from him, and leave him alone, and stop spying on him and harrassing him and trying to make his life miserable on these discussion boards.

I was just looking at the running tournaments, and noticed that LJ has changed the names of all his tournaments to " . " - all his tournaments with the same " . ".

You know LJ you keep having excusing on why you do things, but something like that you know is just going to mess people up and upset them. Up until now I was unsure if he was making trouble on purpose or not, but I believe I have my answer now.

So if any user has " . " for the tournament, then it is one of LJ's tournaments.

Has someone got a final that needs starting?

I have this on my main page ..Total number of your started games: 138 + 1 (?)

1 is not enough for a new tourny

I was just getting ready to type this reply and copy and paste a posting by LongJohn when I discovered that all of his recent posts are missing! I hope he's the one that deleted them, because if our moderator had done so I'm really upset. Censoring certain comments is bad enough, but to delete everything just because you have a problem with the person is not right as far as I believe. I've stayed silent in the ongoing chats about the prize tournaments and other discussion, but I did join his along with Linda's tournament. I'm not much of a fan of backgammon, though the game can be a lot of fun from time to time.
Since his posts are missing. (Regardless of why they're missing) I can no longer directly reply to them. I do recall that he said something about having to have 200 or players in them and also him saying that he would extend the starting time until he reached that goal. I can only assunme that he's liar! The tournament has started with just 64 of us. What gives? IS the prize still happening? What happened to your waiting, LongJohn?

In anycase, I would like to be removed from the tournament. I would like this done without penalizing me or anyone else. Since forfeiting all my games is an option, that's what I will do if that's what it takes. This isn't fair to the other sections though, and I'd like to just leave the tournament as if I'd never even signed up for it. Could this be arranged or made to happen? IF so, please make it happen, and thank you. If not, man that's stupid! But hey, I hope they enjoy their easy victory points off me as I will just let the games expire and that'll be the end of it.
I'm still curious about LongJong's missing posts in this section. Are they his doing, or the moderator do it?
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I typed that last night and fell asleep at the key board. Since then there's been a few replies to what this tournament of LongJOhn is all about.
Our moderator says he didn't delete the posts. That leaves the creator of them (LongJohn)
Also, a few people have suggested to just forfeit the games involved and that'll take care of the games. I will do this if it's the only option. I really believe that this tournament and the way it's being conducted are bogus. As it has been pointed out, the creator is entitled to do as he pleases with the organizing of the tournament. All the same, had I'd known these changes in the tournament parameters and the ongoing debate about the tournament itself were going to happen, I would not have joined the tournament.
It seems very unfair to me that one is counted as a member of an ongoing tournament when one has been eliminated from the tournament. I wrote to Fencer about this a few months back and he didn't see much problem with it. This tournament should show the problem with it quite clearly. If I still had Pawn membership status and then forfeited or lost all my games, I'd not be ever to enter another tournament until the end off this one. This is a different problem than the one I wrote to Fencer about, and it's worse.
The problem I wrote him about concerned the fact that I had played all of my games and had the tournament won no matter the outcome of the remaining players games and I wasn't allowed to join another tournament because of the one tournament per Pawn rule. So I was stuck until the slowest two players finished their game. A week later they did. That doesn't seem fair to me, but that's how it is. That complaint is nothing compared to what this LongJohn's tournament will do to any nonpaying member. Fencer, I really believe the tournament rules should be changed to take this into consideration. As I suggested to you, limit a member's games to whatever level you like, not how many off them happen to be tournament games. Simular to IYT's handling of it. I'm sure there's other things that might be done too.
Now that I'm a paying member and have created a couple of tournaments myself, I would like anyone to enter if they'd like to. Unfortunately the "One Tournament per Pawn" rule prevents most Pawns from playing even if they have the game spaces available and they've lost a tournament. Winning a tournament or advancing to a second round shouldn't count against your total and could be considered a prize for playing well.
Just a little of my 2¢. Thank you.

It is not me that complaining about them but you. Another one of your lies.
I do hope this does change the way prize tournaments are done in the future with prizes being paid for up front. ;•)

yes i did , thats why i removed myself from your tourney !!!!!!!

this will be the last post from me regarding this subject ...
i am here for fun and games ,every one enjoy your games ;)))

A. You changed the rules and description of the tournament, and also changed the amount of time for the tournament. You did all this when there was alreayd many many people signed up, and never had a chance to see the new rules or new time frame. You basicly had them sign up for one tournament, and did a switch and had them play in a complete other tournament!

You mentioned GI's (GothicInventor) tournament - I have not heard from him, but here is what I think happened with the tournament he created. He created a tournament with a prize offered by him - the entry "fee" was a $5 donation directly to Fencer. It was then pointed out that if each person send the donation strait to Fencer, he would only get between $2-$3 of each $5 because of fee's. At this time, the tournament was REMOVED - with no one signed up, and no one forced to play in a tournament with false rules.

LJ - What should have happened is if you were going to change the rules after many many people signed up, you should have AT LEAST (1) give enough of the players enough time to see the new rules and remove themselfs or (2) just delete the tournament so people are not playing games they do not want.

I do agree that it is the tournament creators right to remove anyone they don't want to play in the tournament. It probable would have been polite to send the person a message to let them know they were removed (and reason).

LongJohn I think you need to take your own advice. You whined enough about those 50 brains you claim to now not want.
Your tournaments were a cheap way of getting people to sign up for something you never had any intentions of giving away. Sad. Kind of like the little boy his mother had to tie pork chops around his neck to get the dogs to play with him. LOL
Try simply a change of attitude instead of a lie.

the thing i didnt agree with is that AFTER i had signed up the rules got changed , which shouldnt be alowed to happen , i dont play in 30 day tornaments as a rule and would have given it a miss .

It still won't get them out of the tournament though...

yes you can resign them , before making two moves and it wont affect your bkr

I think Jason means resign them not delete

Jason, I don't think you can delete tournament games.

why cant you , there will be a delete button before two moves are made i do believe , if they deleted all games in thier section it would not harn anyone still playing .
(edit) unless im wrong that is .

Thanks Jason that's very generous of you. Thanks

Jason, you can't delete tournament games, but pawns can still enter Linda's tourney even if they're in others. All they need to do is message Linda and say they want to join.

I think something has to be done about the posting of Prize tournaments.
That is 2 tournaments in 1 week that have been advertised as offering prizes and deleted.
One of the tournaments by GI offering a large ammount money, but had no one sign up, AND also LJ's 2 year Rook membership one, which was causing enough problems anyway as it was intended to do (mainly for pawns & Knights).

My thoughts are that if someone wants to organise a Prize one they should write to Fencer first to get permission OR when a Prize tounament is set (by ticking the box in the set up page) then that tournament should have to approved by Fencer before it will post (could be incorperated in BK 2.0).

Until this situation is sorted i suggest removing the Prize box from the set up page. This way, only Fencer himself can make it show as a Prize tournament by manually hi-lighting it himself, after being asked to do so. I can not see many more being set at the moment anyway and hopefully a better solution can be found in the future and stop all this hassle.

Fencer has stated that the only official BK Prize tournaments will be created by himself anyway (or have his backing).

yes he has started it also changed the time limit to 30 days .

now the problem is that there may be some people who went into this tournament because of the (SUPPOZED) two year rook membership offerd . now the re are people stuck in there without anything offerd in a tournament that will last forever . .......
if there are some of you stuck in the tournament (pawns or nights ) and would like to go into lindas tournament message me and im willing to pay a few of you in .. just delete your games in that tournament before you do any moves and your ratings wont be affected ....
BY THE WAY THIS IS A GENUINE OFFER TO ANY ONE THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTED by the running of this so called tournament . (obvoisly i will have to limit the amount of people i can pay for)

Bernice: Why should I delete that? It's on topic and you express an honest opinion.

I happen to agree with you that Prize tournaments should be paid for 'up front'.

mrloupcity: A Clint Eastwood-type tournament has just started - ie the tournament with no name. I think that may well be it.

Has Backgammon PRIZE TOURNEY (2 YEAR ROOK MEMBERSHIP)started or was it deleted?

*** i was going to edit/delete this and decided against it because i believe (maybe wrongly)that this is absolutely ON TOPIC*** and should be addressed by management:)
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you say they are (his) tournaments...of course they are....
but to offer prizes, get people in under false pretenses and then launch it with no offer of a prize is surely unethical.

4 tournaments that I know of have offered prizes and if you look at them running or whatever you wont see too much...
(1) backgammon race - prize offered 50 brains
(2) backgammon 6 months membership
(3) backgammon THE LARGEST PRIZE etc etc
(4) the $10,000 that never got past the first day

this is false advertising and very unethical, and should be controlled.....

When prizes are offered (by ANYONE) they should be paid up front before the tournament is even opened to the public....that way people can see that it is genuine.

This is happeneing far too much on here and it is giving a bad name on other game sites...all are talking :(

Edited...deleted...waste of time :)

Bernice: ..'there seem to be a lot of posts deleted...'

Not by me, Bernice. I haven't deleted anything for a while. A quick look at the posts here and it seems to me that there's nothing that needs deleting.
Some of you have a problem with one of LongJohn's tournaments.
The fact remains, whatever the morality of the situation, it is LongJohn's tournament - he is the creator and can control it as he likes.

AD: it's not necessary to remove your post. :-)

Which one, children?