playBunny: It's a serious bug, but until it's fixed I think many players concider it a "house rule".

ArtfulDodger: The maximise-dice-usage rule hasn't been implemented (but this is acknowledged to be a bug).

In our game wayney was able to move a single man with a single dice value which allowed him to stack all three men safely on one point. Further movement off the stack, using the other dice value, was blocked by my men. He should have been required to use both dice values which would have meant splitting the two that were already stacked, leaving me a spread of blots to hit. Subsequent dice rolls showed that I would have hit two of those blots but as a result of his illegal move he was able to make a game winning block on his ace point.

The rule is also part of standard backgammon and is probably needs to be addressed there as well. I expect that it's on Fencer's plate as he says on the Features requests board that "Pro backgammon (with doubling cube)" is in development.

Hmmm, yes this is a way too, but i was thinking about detecting the internet connection of a player....
Detecting different users that have "something" in their connection with Brainking the same, such thing that they should not have the same, then this would be an indication of multiple ID's....
Only an indication because of cource members of a family could use a computer and this is perfectly normal. But then, games of these users will easily show if they are actually cheaters or different persons........

Chessmaster1000: The simple pattern seems to be a pair who play together with a very unbalanced win/lose ratio brought about by a suspicious amount of resigning and with one or both having high ratings. As more nicks are brought into the scam, detection would become increasingly difficult but a significant level of resignations would still be a good indicator. It would ease the server burden if checking were restricted to the top X% of players.

playBunny: yes, Wayney. They were clearly cheating and the rules say you can get banned for that. They were banned. So your games with them will time out.

What is the bug in hyper that allows for an illegal move?

I wonder if Fencer has any "tricks" that would find all those with multiple ID's........?!?!?!? A good clearance is necessary........

ArtfulDodger: I presume you mean "wayney" rather than "Wayne". How are they no longer here (password changed, account locked out?) Any idea what happens to the games that they're playing?

The reason I ask is that I'm playing against him at the moment ... The hypergammon game that he brought to this board about him having taken advantage of a bug to make an illegal move, and me not appreciating it .... the game that I wanted to call a draw but he refused .... the game that, as a result of a conversation in which he made it clear that sportsmanship was not a priority, I'm playing in protest one move at a time but only towards the end of the timeout period.

Are no longer with us. Thanks Fencer!

Hmmmmm, OK thanks.......

Chessmaster1000: Find any game between certain players (in a profile of one of them or in a tournament table) and under the gameboard, you will see this for instance:

Score of finished games (Chessmaster1000 - Pedro Martínez, Dark Chess): 0 : 1 (= 0) (show games)

And when you click on "show games", you'll get the list.:)

Longjohn/Jameshird/DragonPope/Wayney????
WOW! I didn't know that.... I suspected to be the QWERTYGirl (OldDear now) but Wayney too?
That's why he accused me of intentionally playing slow in a Backgammon game and did it a big matter.........And now that i think about it, the behaviour was exactly the same as with QWERTYGirl(OldDear).........He is the same!

Pedro Martínez:
Where can anyone find this list you gave:
http://brainking.com/en/ArchivedGameList?u=11991&op=14225&tp=66
I mean from where on the main page i can go there.......? I can't find a link........?!?!?!?!?

It was just me being cynical. I wish there was a way for that disease to be kept off this site forever

rod03801: I don't understand what are you trying to imply...does it mean Fencer should leave it the way it is? I don't get the point of your post.

Doesn't matter. Longjohn/Jameshird/DragonPope/Wayney will simply create yet another account and keep on doing what he always does.

Game Guidelines:

NO CHEATING. This includes using outside programs to help play and losing on purpose for the goal of boosting ratings. Your account may be banned, and ratings will be removed.

Now both have me on block. Doesn't matter. Whoever they are, they are clearly cheating and my guess is that they will not try to explain themselves.

Pedro Martínez: Without a doubt. I think Fencer needs to see it. Hope he looks in on us. :)

ArtfulDodger: It is so evident. If anybody is in doubt, check out this game:
http://brainking.com/cz/ArchivedGame?g=868711&i=23
Go through it move by move...

Pedro Martínez: Either cheating or stupidity. But I'm with you, it looks like cheating to me. His chosen move practically gurantees he will lose. He had the option of sending one pip back and being behind as he was, that was the only smart choice. someone rated that high knows this.

Even the finished games show signs of cheating. Look at the first game in the list, move 12 for instance.

Wayne was playing Anti Hyper Backgammon there.

rod03801: That part I don't know about. Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe even better. :)

Interesting.... since DragonPope is JamesHird aka LongJohn. ... (I only know this because Jameshird was banned on a board I moderate, and the name is now DragonPope).. So, if this is cheating, then is Wayney LongJohn TOO??

Pedro Martínez: Yes, that's it. All the games in question were lost by the same person who resigned. In a few cases the scores were very close and there was much game left. (63-68; 57-72 that's close in hyper; 49-51 and white resigns even though he just rolled double sixes)

http://brainking.com/en/ArchivedGameList?u=11991&op=14225&tp=66

Pedro Martínez: I'll go back and check but I think it was back and forth between the two. I'll point it out to Fencer if I see it's lopsided. I don't see the advantage if they swaped the win/loss. Both have a rating over 2100.

Report them to Fencer. If it happened 14 times in favor of one of them, it's clear cheating.

ArtfulDodger: I've seen this in other games as well. Could be the same person with multiple ids, especially if one or both are pawns.

ArtfulDodger: Who? When? Sounds like a rating fixer.

To find the same two players playing Hyper Backgammon and only moving 3 0r 4 moves and then one of them resigning. I can see one or two times this MIGHT happen, but 14??

In Hyper, it really isn't over until it's over. Doubles can turn a lost game into a win (and often does) in one turn. And if you're good, you'd know this. Why would someone play that many games and resign only after a few moves (and all with the same player) ?

New games in waiting room for 1700+ Hyper Backgammon. Fast players only please. All welcome

This time I am trying 0.8/0.8/2 so fast players can still build up a 2 day buffer. (not that it is needed in hyper anyway)

New games in waiting room for 1700+ Hyper Backgammon. Fast players only please
1/0.8/2

BIG BAD WOLF: There was a bug in the timeout checker, it should be fixed now. If such anomaly occurs again, please report it to the Bug Tracker.

Pedro Martínez: Looks like the time had not even started to count down in the games with Basic01 - unless I'm missing something, maybe that is something you need to add to the Bug Tracker.

Basic01 Pedro Martínez
10. July 2005, 20:05:03

Time for game (?): Time: 1 hour, Bonus: none, Limit: 1 hour (11. July 2005, 21:05:03 is the last term before timeout for this move)

This tournament was created at 7pm cet, started 8pm. At 9-30pm, Bobes makes his first move and DUH!!! has 1 hour left...

danoschek: Hey! No fair.....

user cookies on their central server, which makes it
almost usable for serious purposes like my private
hide cookie, noting 51 new msgs, showing 10 indeed. ~*~

Yes, WebTV has its own Email..

1600+ in waiting room, feel free to accept some games. Nice and fast

neither one really suits my tastes, but google is much more invasive. You can access common ISP mail from anywhere in the world if you know how to configure the settings, but it's good to have a backup just in case of a change.

http://www.google-watch.org/

grenv: I am starting to like gmail better than yahoo, and have always hated hotmail
Gmail takes a bit of getting used to but it is quite quick and has some cool features

redsales: it's called yahoo! That way you don't need to change email when you change ISP.

with a TV card and/or a simple cable, you can use your TV as a monitor for a computer too. It's quite a trip seeing BK on a 60 " projection TV. Likewise, you can watch TV on your monitor too with the same features. But I don't know of a computer in the world that's virus proof with all those ports open out there, thought they rarely bother me. Does WEBTV have some sort of email feature too?

Czuch Chuckers: I see. Thanks.

Computers that surf the net are about $500 these days, monitor and all. I couldn't live without high speed having had it for years.
Never been bothered by a virus, most of them are developed by the vurus software companies I think :) I can also surf and watch TV, but of course I have to turn my head!

Back to BackGammon. Can you make the tourny 3 hours total, would that help? I would play that if the timing was right.

grenv: Well, it is cheap (and off topic?) its inexpensive too. LOL

a hundred bucks is all I paid. But you get some advantages besides the expense (we still pay a good price per month for access though) First, no viruses and stuff like that. Our monitor is our tv set (I have 3 tvs, a 27 inch screen one just for my WebTV) I sit on the couch and type away on a remote keyboard or we have a regular remote as well which functions all of the options as well.
We also have a lot of tv functions as well, which is important to many. Picture in picture so you can surf the web and watch tv at the same time. Plus it is great for recording tv as well. You can search the tv listings and click a show to record anytime it is on or search by artist and it will record anything they are in anytime, for example.
It really does anything that most people do on a computer ie email, search, play games, whatever, but w3e are not compatible with many sites, especially if they use flash and such. Thats why so many of us are here, because Fencer does a great job upgrading this site without leaving us behind! Also, like I said before, no viruses to worry about or buying programs like spywear etc.... because we dont really have any hard drive. But if you really use a computer, or demand high speeds, it probably isnt for you.

It's cheaper than a computer. I'm not sure how much the new ones are (MsnTV2), $200 or so, I think. But you can get the originals for under $100 ... The monthly charge isn't any cheaper.. (19.99 for the old classic, 21.99 for the newer classic, and 24.99 for webtv plus.. Not sure how much for msntv2) .. It was intended for the unit to not only surf the net, but enhance your TV viewing experience.. I don't know much about that, because I only use it for the net.. (And it's the Plus unit that has the most interactivity with TV)

It's other marketable quality is its ease of use. You don't really need to know a thing about computers to successfully surf the internet with it.

My personal reason for the preference is that I like sitting on my couch to surf and play my games. I don't want to be stuck at a desk..

Anyways, I guess this is kinda off topic. lol..

Is webTV cheap? What is the attraction other than that? Just curious is all, I've never seen it, or heard of anyone I know using it.

Ok Ok all the negativity!!

I changed it again to a maximum of 5 players, so that onlt 4 games for me.... better?
LOL
Im gonna go play on a friends computer anyway!

Czuch Chuckers: can you play 7 games in only 2 hours chuck? You struggled with 3 or 4 in 1 hour last night

Ok, I made it an 8 person maximum with 8 player sections, so it will all be a one section tournament, and there wont be more than 1 round.