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Janus, Capablanca Random, Embassy Chess & the odd mention of other 10x8 variants is welcome too


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... speculation on who has an advantage or the benefits of potential moves is not permitted while that particular game is in progress)
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4. Kasım 2005, 19:43:02
BuilderQ 
Konu: Re:not true;Fischer is STILL UNDEFEATED as World Champion.
tedbarber: Alekhine hasn't been defeated since his death, has he?

4. Kasım 2005, 19:31:42
BuilderQ 
Konu: Re:not true;Fischer is STILL UNDEFEATED as World Champion.
tedbarber: "Since 1975 no one has beaten him for his Championship..." Since 1975, who has he beaten to retain his title? :) Is Alekhine still champion?

27. Ağustos 2005, 03:13:41
BuilderQ 
Konu: Re:
Grim Reaper: The text you want is here, is it not?

12. Şubat 2005, 01:44:14
BuilderQ 
Is Gothic Chess still at cowplay.com?

11. Şubat 2005, 04:57:23
BuilderQ 
At present there are many tournaments open to sign up on BrainKing that include Gothic Chess, see http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trnst=0&tp=41&submit=Show

For official Gothic Chess Federation tournaments, see http://www.gothicchess.org/tournaments.html

As for the name "Gothic", it is intented to span generation gaps; Ed Trice once explained: "Younger people are familiar with the Gothic lifestyle (the wearing of dark colors, staying up extremely late, etc) and older people are familiar with Gothic architecture. So, in a very real sense, 'Gothic' could register as "something new" or "something old" depending on the focus group."

At BrainKing, Gothic Chess games have a drawing percentage of 2.39 %.

5. Şubat 2005, 19:53:18
BuilderQ 
Konu: Re: last games
Thad: I'm not sure what you're saying is a flaw. The B pawn can be protected, surely? Could you elaborate?

30. Ekim 2004, 16:51:14
BuilderQ 
Yes, very interesting. It would be nice to see it annotated. :)

30. Ekim 2004, 16:34:32
BuilderQ 
I had noticed that the BrainKing ratings on GothicChess.org had not been updated, but the current "Game of the Month" is September 2003, so at least it's more up to date than that. Surely some good games have been played since then?

26. Ekim 2004, 01:05:28
BuilderQ 
Konu: Maybe the board description should be changed to
Discussion about patents, lawsuits, and moderators. :)

22. Ekim 2004, 21:25:27
BuilderQ 
Konu: Re: Balanced position
OK, but the features you consider balanced resemble the features of Gothic Chess that GothicInventor listed on 16. September 2004.

22. Ekim 2004, 20:13:46
BuilderQ 
Konu: 1.f4
So is 1.f4 in Gothic Chess as good as 1.e4 in regular chess?

20. Ekim 2004, 20:08:35
BuilderQ 
Konu: Re: Re:
You're quoting EdTrice, aren't you? Anyways, Gothic Chess is only perfect within the context of its creator's goals (Indian formations, protected pawns, shorter average game length, etc.). Some chess variants aim for different goals; players who prefer those goals will prefer those variants. No one variant will satisfy everyone.

5. Ekim 2004, 01:50:15
BuilderQ 
Konu: Re:
Yes, Safe Check assumes that pawns retain the same value on all sizes of boards, while other pieces degrade in power. With a large enough board, pawns would be worth more than queens! But I guess for the Gothic or regular chess board, practical values are obtained.

4. Ekim 2004, 20:37:09
BuilderQ 
Konu: Safe Check
Wouldn't the "safe check" procedure, if applied to a Pawn, Berolina Pawn, Ferz, Wazir, Man, etc., result in that piece having a value of zero?

2. Ekim 2004, 04:23:14
BuilderQ 
Thanks danoschek, but I wanted to make sure EdTrice saw it. :)

2. Ekim 2004, 04:04:55
BuilderQ 
Konu: Yet another Capablanca variant!
I have been designing a new variant of Capablanca's Chess: RACK Chess. Click on the above link for all details or click here if you just want to see the opening setup. You might want to read the Gothic Chess long answer for comparison, if you have not already. Need I add that my variant will not be patented? :)

2. Ekim 2004, 01:46:11
BuilderQ 
Konu: Re: Piece Values
If the Omega Chess board makes the queen more powerful than in chess, why does the "safe check" procedure reduce the queen's value? Are you saying that larger boards make pieces more or less powerful?

1. Ekim 2004, 20:21:33
BuilderQ 
Konu: Piece Values
The piece values in Omega Chess (Don't its claims about evolution sound similar to Gothic Chess's?), another large board variant, are given on this page. The values seem confusing, for example, the bishop is described as "4 points. This is a hard call since the size of the board increases the range and power of the bishop..." But in Gothic Chess, I thought the larger board was supposed to reduce the power of every piece? How were the Omega Chess values calculated?

29. Eylül 2004, 01:49:36
BuilderQ 
Konu: Position of knights
I sometimes thought the knights were too far from the center in Gothic, but in Grotesque they look too close. Where would they develop to? Not in front of the center pawns, surely? But if they go the other way they seem to hinder development of the bishops.

20. Eylül 2004, 20:05:15
BuilderQ 
Konu: Re: Matches verses games.
A match counts for ratings as only one game. Winning a ten-wins match 10-0, for example, would result in no greater change in rating than winning 10-9.

23. Ağustos 2004, 01:32:06
BuilderQ 
Konu: Similar to Gothic

21. Ağustos 2004, 18:48:09
BuilderQ 
Konu: Re: How About A Vote!
Keep Gothic Chess on BrainKing

5. Ağustos 2004, 17:29:55
BuilderQ 
Strange how black has a better winning percentage in both gothic and regular chess.

4. Ağustos 2004, 20:02:31
BuilderQ 
Konu: It must be like those EarthSea novels
where knowing a person's true name is dangerous.

4. Ağustos 2004, 17:56:37
BuilderQ 
If I had played all my games of loop and gothic against ughaibu and Trice respectively I expect my winning percentages would be lower, without my skill being reduced.

As it happens, my games of 3 checks chess against ughaibu seem to have given me a high rating despite my losing both.

4. Ağustos 2004, 16:57:21
BuilderQ 
Konu: Re: ratings suck
Redsales: If you're refering to your games in the "For the honest,and friendly,not cheating. (Atomic Chess)" tournament, observe its description: "Unrated games (no BKR will be affected by this tournament): yes"

Let's not confuse unrated games with the real problems with the rating system. :) And I don't see how simple win percentages reveal much about a player's skill.

4. Ağustos 2004, 05:13:28
BuilderQ 
Pocket-Monkey, another game site, mentions the following: "Elo ratings are not absolute, they are relative, and they're only applicable within a body of players." So I do not expect USCF and Bk ratings to match.

However, I agree there are other problems with the ratings, like draws not counting for enough, and a player's first few games being over-emphasized.

4. Ağustos 2004, 04:32:23
BuilderQ 
Ethori was also #1 once, briefly.

4. Ağustos 2004, 04:05:16
BuilderQ 
Konu: 18
It would have been more impressive if he had said that before the game was over.

2. Ağustos 2004, 16:47:06
BuilderQ 
Konu: Combined variants
If gothic chess is to become the new standard, than it stands to reason that future variants would use it as their starting point, rather than FIDE chess. I'm not sure if the gothic patent would allow that, though?

1. Ağustos 2004, 19:22:27
BuilderQ 
Konu: I thought this board was about a game?
I guess all these new posts are testament to gothic chess's continuing popularity, but maybe it's time I removed this from my favourite board list. I agree with Caissus's message that is buried somewhere hereabouts; I'm getting tired of reading unimportant things.

5. Temmuz 2004, 19:36:17
BuilderQ 
So, which game would be most likely to be longest, if it were played to checkmate:
Master vs. Master
Master vs. Beginner
Beginner vs. Beginner

By the way, does the Gothic Chess Federation give out titles like master or grandmaster?

4. Temmuz 2004, 20:32:26
BuilderQ 
Konu: Re: An interesting game
Hmmm... another 11 move game.

3. Temmuz 2004, 23:46:51
BuilderQ 
Maybe we should be embarrassed that none of us can beat GothicInventor. :)

1. Temmuz 2004, 19:03:19
BuilderQ 
The figurine notation is international. In the Settings section you can change the notation to show standard English (or Czech) letters for pieces.

1. Temmuz 2004, 05:09:26
BuilderQ 
Oh, okay, I was just wondering if you had invented it too. :)

1. Temmuz 2004, 05:04:51
BuilderQ 
Konu: Gothic Checkers
Is there any connection between Gothic Chess and Gothic Checkers?

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