BrainKing - Tartışma Komiteleri (Checkers)

Its confusing when posts are missing :o)

3. Ağustos 2005, 19:20:29

Konu: Re:

Purple (4. Ağustos 2005, 15:41:01) tarafından düzenlendi

gooner: Any missing posts were removed by the poster. (unless a Global Mod came in)

3. Ağustos 2005, 19:32:39

gooner

6. Ağustos 2005, 07:46:29

Konu: Checkers 10 piece database

Kingsrow has the 10-piece database now.

http://pages.prodigy.net/eyg/Checkers/10-pieceBuild.htm

6. Ağustos 2005, 21:23:16

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/alemanni/apage_check_e.html

Konu: Maybe Obsolete Info

6. Ağustos 2005, 21:27:25

Konu: Re: Checkers 10 piece database

Grim Reaper: Very impressive though the computer talk was way over my head.

6. Ağustos 2005, 23:53:00

BlitzMe

Konu: Games

Will players invite me to some checker games?

7. Ağustos 2005, 08:04:05

Grim Reaper (7. Ağustos 2005, 08:05:25) tarafından düzenlendi

http://brainking.com/en/ShowGame?g=952957&i=16

I direct everyone's attention to the above position. After I made my move, my opponent, Ustica, made this remark to me in our game:

ustica: ustica: (7. August 2005, 01:48:33)
if i was white i do 24-28 not 1-6 you like publesh moves. oh well just my opion.

On our board, 1-6 is g1-f2 and 24-28 is b6-a7. The move the "great" ustica is trying to tell me to play will lose.

I am wondering, if he is so good, why doesn't he know this? Does he actually think he can persuade me to make a losing move.

What a great champion he is.

7. Ağustos 2005, 08:11:58

ustica tnp

Konu: Re:

Grim Reaper: I was wonder if you use 3 program or just one. but hey! if you wanna win you gotta take chance.

7. Ağustos 2005, 08:15:48

Konu: Re:

ustica:

Take a chance? Translation. Lie about the move and see if your opponent believes you.

Sorry pal, one look at "24-28" (by the way, why did you say that instead of refer to the letters on the board on BrainKing? Oh, that's right, computer programs have numbers on them, don't they?) and I knew that was a losing move.

7. Ağustos 2005, 08:55:38

Konu: Re:

Grim Reaper: One look? I can stare at that move forever and don't see it as a losing one. I actually think it's not a bad move at all.

7. Ağustos 2005, 13:34:32

redsales

Konu: Re:

gooner: i agree. serial unposting should be a crime..!

7. Ağustos 2005, 14:20:18

gooner

and we miss all the juicy chat lol

7. Ağustos 2005, 14:48:39

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=10365&tri=51956&trnst=0

Konu: One More Day- Request Invite

7. Ağustos 2005, 17:15:14

BuilderQ

Konu: Re:

Grim Reaper: As for the numeric notation, have you noticed this Settings page?

7. Ağustos 2005, 17:27:04

Does anybody else think that the "24-28" is not a losing move?

7. Ağustos 2005, 17:55:28

Konu: Re:

Pedro Martínez: There could be a problem analyzing moves of a game in progress as tempting as it is.

7. Ağustos 2005, 18:06:19

Konu: Re:

Purple: What problem?

7. Ağustos 2005, 18:12:24

Konu: Re:

Pedro Martínez: If the chat gets more detailed and someone suggests a course of action for a next move or even a strategy then someone could yell "foul." Analyze away..I do..but be careful about the posting because we don't want to provide excuses. The game is one on one.

7. Ağustos 2005, 18:16:11

Konu: Re:

Purple: I'm talking about a move that was NOT played. Trice didn't move that way. I don't care about the game they play right now, I want to discuss the "24-28" move.

7. Ağustos 2005, 18:20:50

Konu: Re:

Pedro Martínez: It seems hard to discuss the move that was not made without bringing in the move that was and how future moves were/are impacted by that.

7. Ağustos 2005, 18:33:01

Excuse me but that's a total nonsense what you wrote. I want to discuss a theoretical game that has absolutely no connection to the game these two are playing since it's already a completely different game. All I want to figure out is if Trice would have lost the game if he had moved 9.b6-a7. That's it. Absolutely no connection whatsoever to the ongoing game.

7. Ağustos 2005, 18:37:23

Konu: Re:

Pedro Martínez: If it looks like it is impacting THIS game your post will be deleted whether you think it is nonsense or not.

7. Ağustos 2005, 18:38:23

Does anybody else think that the "24-28" is not a losing move?

7. Ağustos 2005, 18:40:29

The piece that would have moved from 24 to 28 is now off the board, and cannot influence the play whatsoever.

That subgame, by defintion, cannot possibly occur in this game, since it is impossible to create any such position from the parent game with an extra piece on the board.

7. Ağustos 2005, 18:41:29

Pedro, if you do not think it is a losing move, challenge me to a rated game, and play it. I will play the other side.

7. Ağustos 2005, 18:44:09

Konu: Re:

Grim Reaper: Fair offer. Do it that way.

7. Ağustos 2005, 18:44:59

Konu: Re:

Grim Reaper: OK. Thanks.

7. Ağustos 2005, 19:21:25

For anyone interested, it's this game:
http://brainking.com/cz/ShowGame?g=967503

8. Ağustos 2005, 02:10:44

So, the game is over. Grim Reaper has won. Amazing how someone can predict a loss/win in 131 moves (I mean this). Congrats

8. Ağustos 2005, 03:11:12

BlitzMe

Maybe Ed Trice is the greatest player in the world :)

8. Ağustos 2005, 03:48:18

ustica tnp

Konu: Re:

Pedro Martínez: WOW!!can predict 131 moves. must be the best. like in chess ,in 4 games was #1. WOW!! Congrats

8. Ağustos 2005, 03:52:09

Konu: Re:

Socrates: I see a close game but I'll take Ustica and the points. LOL

8. Ağustos 2005, 03:58:29

Konu: Re:

Grim Reaper: That was impressive by any standard. Thanks.

8. Ağustos 2005, 04:12:30

Konu: Re: Ustica and the points

Grim Reaper: I can see one move ahead maybe..so what do I know? LOL. But I have played Ustica 100 times in the last 4 years with zero wins. As I said it looks like a close game.

8. Ağustos 2005, 04:16:36

Konu: Re: Ustica and the points

Purple: how many times have you beat GR?

8. Ağustos 2005, 05:28:37

THE HIT MAN

Konu: Re: Ustica and the points

Purple: where are u playing it bud

8. Ağustos 2005, 05:31:57

BlitzMe

Congratulations on being the greatest online checkers player, Grim Reaper.

8. Ağustos 2005, 07:19:37

ScarletRose

Konu: Re:

Socrates: Maybe he is a genius and no one wants to accept it.. haha..

He is a kewl dude actually.. he fools you all! :) Makes you think he is a meanie..

Hey Ed.. how's life? And I wonder why I don't play checkers with him.. haha

8. Ağustos 2005, 13:28:47

Konu: Re:

ScarletRose: isnt he just simply AmaZing??? LOL..I wonder if Purple is taking bets on the game of the century?

8. Ağustos 2005, 13:33:53

Konu: Re: Ustica and the points

Grim Reaper: how many possible outcomes are there in a game of checkers?
I only ask you this,because I know you have written checker programs for several years now.

8. Ağustos 2005, 15:36:38

Konu: Re: Ustica and the points

bwildman: There are three possible outcomes in a game of checkers.

8. Ağustos 2005, 15:40:13

Konu: Re: Ustica and the points

Pedro Martínez: duh..LOL..my bad..I should have said"end games"

8. Ağustos 2005, 17:42:00

CurrentRiver

Konu: Re:

Grim Reaper: Wow and Wow!!!!!! I had no ideal. :o)

8. Ağustos 2005, 17:51:09

Konu: Re:

Pedro Martínez: 131 moves?
that game went 74..am I missing something?

8. Ağustos 2005, 18:01:57

John Baker

Konu: Re:

bwildman: He's most likely talking individual moves, and then only from the "losing move" they had been discussing. That way, 131 sounds about right.
There were 148 total moves in the game (74x2) and 131 moves back must have been the move in question.

8. Ağustos 2005, 18:04:18

Konu: Re:

John Baker: that makes sense.

9. Ağustos 2005, 00:27:40

ScarletRose