Rose: I nominate Rose spokesperson for the silent majority.

Rose: i certainly can image your frustration
i also know some people who have a slow connection with brainking are on fast computers and high speed providers

so it isnt their computer

i also know some people who dont have problems .. so it doesnt seem to be the brainking server

it must be somewhere in between ... the point is though .. we dont know where .. if we would know some common characteristics of the people who have a slow connection to brainking and another set of common characteristics of people who dont have problems .. then we might be able to sort it out

my knowledge of the routing tables is too little to know if everyone from the usa follows the same route towards brainking (some people from the usa have problems, others dont)

i hope we can sometime find the problem .. but i am not sure wether fencer can do something about it other than relocate or use another line

Hrqls: May I ask why that it cant be the servor?? Just because some people load better does not mean its not a servor problem or error. Maybe his servor is to small. Maybe we as a group in the 1000's are playing at the same time and it wont run properly. After a few hours,,we notice it runs better,,,maybe a few 100 or a 1000 give up and load out of BK. Possibly this could be it. Its something to look into than our computers and providers, . and all the HOPS or internet is making, lol lol alot of us are hopping on the same bad connection somewhere I guess. But I doubt they run Canada thru Kansas. No one runs thru Kansas except to get out,,,lol lol. All I want is a chance to play my games here at BK. I dont talk on this board until I just couldnt stand it anymore. Posted it in my fellwoships,,they said not to ,,bring it here. They I get chastised here. I still think if a few hundred people were to message Fencer about the site being slow and having problems,,,maybe hw would speak up about it. I keep seeing his remarks everyday on what he is working on for the good of all on BK,,,but it has nothing to do with the growing displeasure of slowness on the site. Fencer,,,we love ya man,,, we wouldnt pay this money to play silly games if we didnt. But look into the problem we have at hand. We the people would like yto know you are interested in what we feel here on YOUR site. your minoins just want to be heard and know they are listened to. There is no better game site on the internet and a vast majority of us play on more than one site. We want to play here. Pay u the money, Not another place. Just let us know that you are there for us,, looking down and taking care of us in our time of need, We will be faithful and rejoice to the wonders you bring us ,
I think the castle thing and the dragon are wearing on me,,,I am outta here,,,,,,

Gammonator: you have been very well spoken with your concerns - i dont think you should be chastised at all... i hope that more people can voice their concerns in appropriate ways - those that cant - run the risk of ruining any chance of response for all of us....

redfrog: Never forget paying customers have voiced their concerns.Many people don't express themselves well online.Concerned customers should not need to know the "magic words" in order to get a response.Can you imagine telling that to a customer face to face? I dare ya LOL

redfrog: Guess im one of the targets for all posts about negative/rude posts. So in order to not ruining the chances of response for all of you i'll sit back and read your polite posts.
No more ruining posts from this "Troll".
Im sure you'll be more succesful than i was

good luck

Gammonator: I second what redfrog has said, well spoken
JimDandy: the point that redfrog is trying to say is that a constructive post will tend to see positive results far more quickly than negative, and yes, in my work, I will give my positive customers more attention (and better deals) than my negative ones, I will make more money that way

Vikings: Well,sometimes when a person says something over,and over,and over again,and they get no response,or are called a name,or are "warned" nerves get a bit frayed.People just want to be known that they are being heard,thats all

anastasia: I have yet to see someone that has made a positive post be warned or called a name,

Vikings: I didn't see what was so "nagative" about the previuos posts that were deleted

First I would like to say that I also experience very bad speed issues. Today has been very very slow, but then again last night it was moving at a pretty good speed.

Second - I don't think anyone has said the site speed issues are a fault of a persons computer. I think some have suggested looking at settings, browser, and "cleaning" to help speed things up - but I believe everyone knows that the speed issues are somewhere else.

The problem: The speed issue is somewhere between the user & BrainKing. To expect Fencer to be able to solve the issue is the same as expecting us the user to fix the problem.

The internet works by going from point to point (hops) to get to the final destination. This is basicly random. From my town in Illinois, if I try to connect to the local school, some days I can get there in 3 "hops" - other days, it will take 10 "hops" going over to Indy & up to Chicago before making it back into my town. Thing is most all of the hops are pretty fast, so I don't even notice the speed difference. The problem is not all "hops" are fast. And your connection speed will only be as fast as the slowest connection. So take this example. (using Miles Per Hour just to show the example)

Hop 1 - 100Mph
Hop 2 - 100Mph
Hop 3 - 100Mph
Hop 4 - 2 Mph
Hop 5 - 100Mph
Hop 6 - 100Mph

The first hop is you, the last is BrainKing. Both are fast, but with a slow "hop" in the middle - your connection speed will be 2 Mph because the data slows down there.

Unfortunately there is not much that can be done. Someone suggested multiple servers in different locations, but that would be a very big task - probable a lot more then what a simple game site like BK would be able to do.

The one thing I would love Fencer to do is work on a "minimal" version of BK - a version that strips all but the important information so when users are in the "slow" mode, they can switch to it to still play games. So for example, a 500KB page may take 20 seconds to load. Well if you strip all the extra and make it a 100KB page, then the user will have to wait for less data and in turn should load pages faster. I thought I read someplace once that he was interested in this, but I'm unsure if he is working on it or not.

Doing some of the things I mention here: Computers (coan.net, 2007-03-12 20:16:01) - will help out..... along with changing the message per page on the discussion boards to a lower number.... like turning off the Javascript extras.... roll over smileys.... since having those off means that the extra data on the webpage no longer has to be transmitted to you - and in turn there is less data for you to wait for and can help speed things up.

** edited to add: before some tech corrects my example above, I know that is not "exactly" how it works - but should be a pretty good example for others who don't know how it works to understand it... so please don't pick about the details of my example ***

anastasia: LOL, and also if you use IE and not Firefox it is also your fault....and to be sarcastic even further...Fencer can see all LOL....also if people remember correctly, the site has been getting slower and slower for god knows how long......read back .....

*****edit****

HAHAHAHA.....look at this ROFL.......


6. March 2003, 07:17:53MadMonkey (hide)show this user posts | show thread | linkSubject: Re: slow server ??
DreamBear: i'm having the same problem, can't even get to my Friends list etc...(just blank page) But even moving from games to main page is taking ages :(
Reply (box)


6. March 2003, 06:15:42BlackBear (hide)show this user posts | show thread | linkSubject: slow server ??
Fencer, I am experiencing severe slowless on here & very often get just blank white or grey screens. Is there a server problem on here ? Just thought I'd check before I jump on my ISP's back again.
Reply (box)

coan.net:
"The one thing I would love Fencer to do is work on a "minimal" version of BK - a version that strips all but the important information so when users are in the "slow" mode, they can switch to it to still play games."

srnity: I wonder if the removal of our beloved dragon would help?
I'd miss the crazy fella,but.............

Jim Dandy: It would only have an impact on the main page... people are complaining about the site in general...
But it would get rid of a side effect that keeps ticking me off - the ghost scroll bar that comes up all of a sudden (and I don't even use the Castle theme)

pauloaguia: I think I understand the issues,but frankly by my 3rd post on this board warnings tend to pop up.I honestly have no idea what is allowable anymore,and I say that sincerely with zero sarcasm.

Jim Dandy: It wasn't meant that way... I'll shut up and stop trying to teach people...
For all it takes, I haven't had any speed issues with this site, but I can see that it's a problem for an increasingly number of people and, like many others, I do feel it should be debated and exposed, if only for Fencer to feel some pressure to try and do a little more towards it (that minimalist version seems like a good idea, like I've stated in the past).

Like I said, I'll shut up for now, expecially considering it's bed time around here . Cheers and best of luck to all slow movers out there...

pauloaguia: Hey,I appreciated your explanation!!
I'm sorry if you felt my observations were directed at you,they weren't

Jim Dandy: Noooooooo, not (what did we name him again?) I want to say "Leo", but that's not it