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Chess variants (10x8)

Sam has closed his piano and gone to bed ... now we can talk about the real stuff of life ... love, liberty and games such as
Janus, Capablanca Random, Embassy Chess & the odd mention of other 10x8 variants is welcome too

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11. декември 2003, 16:08:40

tedbarber

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Относно: Why Gothic Inventor rates the Archbishop so low?

In the July 2000 article on the value of the Gothic pieces;you rated the Archbishop as being less than 1 pawn lower than the Queen. Why then on Gothicchess.com do you only rate it as slightly more powerful than a Rook. Of all the Pieces only The Archbishop has the ability to create an unassisted checkmate;did you in your figuring take this into account. Also with the possibility of an Archbishop Vortex;I really believe a constant should have been introduced to take this into account. I still prefer your origanal accessment of its value. This is why I wondered about this. Could you offer a simple explaination to my question;as I believe it would help my game?

11. декември 2003, 16:10:50

tedbarber

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Относно: Re: Why Gothic Inventor rates the Archbishop so low?

excuse me!! I meant to say Gothicchess.org;not Gothicchess.com. in my previous message.

11. декември 2003, 17:58:09

Grim Reaper

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Относно: Re: Why Gothic Inventor rates the Archbishop so low?

I discovered something over the course of playing about 2000 games of Gothic Chess. The new pieces have a "dimension" to them that is not observed in the domain of regular 8x8 chess. That being, the value of the pieces vary as does the pawn population.

Consider this. Place a White Archbishop on a8. Place a White King on a1. Place a Black King on j8.

White to move will win, but it will take a very long time! With no pawns on the board, the Archbishop has "decayed" to being less important than a Rook. A Rook on the empty board mates much more quickly than the Archbishop.

So, should not the strength of the pieces become a function of the pawn count? I think so.

On a crowded board we observe Archbishops tearing down the house. So, in these instances, we rate it much higher.

14. декември 2003, 00:58:13

WhisperzQ

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Относно: Re: Why Gothic Inventor rates the Archbishop so low?

I think the Archbishop derives a lot of its early power from its knight's move ability to jump over pieces ... this is the same as a knight in conventional chess. On a really crowded board the value of a knight increases, towards the end game the bishop becomes more pwerful as it ususally develops a longer range as there are less pieces to interfer. The Chancellor, I find, als o grows in power through the game, but i am not sure why. In the early game I actually prefer the Archbishop but will always swap for a Chancellor because I know as pieces disappear the Chancellor rises.

14. декември 2003, 03:04:35

matthewhall

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Относно: Re: Why Gothic Inventor rates the Archbishop so low?

I myself am a bit more weary of the Chancelor's late-game abilities than I am of the Archbishop's opening abilities...perhaps because the openings I favor lead to somewhat longer, stodgier games that tend to lead to endgames where having the Chancelor's rank and file solidity is an advantage. Like Whisperz, I will almost always trade my Archbishop for a Chancelor, and have not seen much opening play (against an equal opponent, Ed and Rob!) where I feel the Archbishop solidified enough of a tactical advantage to counteract the Chancelor's heavy influence in endgames.

Speaking of Archbishop piece value, Ed and I played an interesting game recently where the Archbishop was traded early on for a rook and a bishop...it led to an interesting, unbalanced position. The side that had given up the Archbishop won, but then again, it was Ed v. me.;-)