AbigailII: thats an excellent expression, your post nailed it exactly. i know there are times when it literally flies (referring to the speed of the pages loading) and there are times when no site loads fast.. then its pretty much a no brainer, the cause is the ISP. when one site consistently is slow, and for days and days, and all other sites are going consistently at a fast speed, the conclusion is also simple.. isnt it?? it is so painfully slow, and im a patient person, to make 2 moves in a minute is terrible. i used to be able to make many many more moves each day then i am able to now. is there a way we can track that with all the statistical info available. can the site be evaluated in such a way that a person logging on and staying on the site makes X amount of moves this day. the next day the number changes, and consistenty every one from a certain country is making considerably less moves/time online... there will be variables of course, people surfing the boards and writing messages, etc, but there should be a way to track this, isnt there?