Snoopy: Oh I know that. But even if the officer was found innocent of the man's death, don't you think that the shove was a bit excessive?

Artful Dodger: one of the news reports say he was hit with a baton before he was shoved....if that was the case what did the damage?
I agree he shouldnt have been shoved.

as Jules said there was ONLY 122 arrests LOL....rather minor really

Bernice: 122 arrests out of an estimated (by the police) 35,000 people considering the tensions is damn good.

No way near a Brixton riot.

Bernice: as Jules said there was ONLY 122 arrests LOL....rather minor really


thanks for that reminder....

Czuch: The thing though that has come to light is that if the police had been more professional about the protests (as the whole police activity during the G20 protests is being looked into) .. there would have been less arrests. I'm not saying there would have been no arrests, but some of the troubles seem to be (according to the reports and the gist of what the IPCC are saying) would have been avoided, hence less arrests.

And Czuch... guns are a rarity in this country, this is not the USA.

And that you approve of police brutality rather goes against your call for less government.. looks like you are a closet more government person. And by the looks of it, you like the idea of dictatorships aka BIG BROTHER.

But one thing you don't consider, is the need for the police to be respected by Joe Public.. without Joe Public's support a lot of crimes in the UK would never be solved. And the death of Mr Tomlinson as well as all the other reported crimes by the police during the protests have eroded the trust that is essential for the police to work efficiently.

(V): But one thing you don't consider, is the need for the police to be respected by Joe Public.


Well, I have too, that is exactly one of my points.... this guy had no respect for the police. Had he respected them and what they were up against in that area with all the violence and protests etc, he would have done everything in his abilities to not be in the way of them doing their duties against real problems that might exist.

Czuch: And your evidence of this is......?????

and we are not talking about a thousand people, ie a hypothetical situation.. we are talking about one man getting home to watch football.

He was just a member of Joe Public, not an idiot. And the policeman I doubt will get back to duty. Assault over here is still a crime, and regardless of duty a policeman is expected to uphold the law and not break it.

Another item that has come up today is regarding the Hillsborough disaster where many football people died. The Home Secretary is releasing the files on the matter 10 years early due to the families of 96 dead people wanting to know what happened 20 years ago.

..... developments in the past indicate that there was much the police did not reveal their role in the disaster, and have been hiding stuff.

The families want justice and to know what happened to cause the deaths.

You can understand that can't you?

(V): Well, you have no evidence yet either that this was an assault?

Its not an assault if he had in any way disobeyed a police order....

Yes, he is just one man.... so you are saying it would not be okay for hundreds of people to act against the police like he did, but because it was just one person doing the disobedience, it is okay? (if it was in fact disobedient?)

Czuch: Like he did??????? It is assault... I don't think you know the law very well if you don't think it is. Police still have to follow a code of conduct and rules regarding the force they can use in situations.

EG.. In the USA if a Cop shoots a man doesn't he have to justify the shooting?