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9. prosince 2008, 04:51:07 Subjekt: IMO IMO it is absolute arrogance to think that man can cause global warming, Key word is GLOBAL! For centuries man has attempted to make it rain result failure, man has attempted to stop every weather related disaster, result, failure. everything that causes the earth to heat produces the needed changes to cool the earth. everything that causes holes in the o-zone also produces the things that stop the holes, whales are trapped in the north atlantic from ice this year earlier than any other redcorded year, Last years cold temperatures entirely wiped away the last 100 years of heating so as a result no change in the climate temps. Snow is actually thicker in greenland, by the way why is greenland called greenland? Man tries to conserve forest by not allowing clearing or maintenance result failure. Every scare tactic used by either these fraudes or misguided people with good intentions has proved false starting with the first one I can remember, John Denver and his"by 2000, there will be no trees". These are just my opinions that I will never change because no one can prove them wrong same as not one of these scientific pieces of evidence can hold up to any real scrutiny, which is why all these scientific experts refuse to debate anybody of significance 9. prosince 2008, 08:32:32 Subjekt: Re: IMO Změněno uživatelem Universal Eyes (9. prosince 2008, 09:25:55) Vikings:For Centuries the Native Indians have claimed to be able to make it rain,but as well they have been located to reserves where they live with nature and live off the land so there is a great better understanding of knowing what your losing,as in respect to global warming and being able to appreciate the planet as they say you are what you eat,therefor if you use something you better be able to replace it,as in if you cut a tree down plant another,but if you cut too many trees to build too many homes, where will you plant the next one,i guess space aviation is more important than our planet. 9. prosince 2008, 14:30:57 Subjekt: Re: IMO Universal Eyes: We should follow the example of the Native Americans...they respect the earth as a being and SHOW her the respect she deserves. And good point to bring up about taking a tree,planting a tree...tress do after all,help provide us with oxygen...you cut down to many,and never replace them,because as you point out,WHERE would you plant them? We are taking all the land to build stuff on...so less trees,less "filtering" the trees can do...It goes back to my example of the exaust fan in the room. 9. prosince 2008, 14:31:59 Subjekt: Re: IMO Vikings: IMO it is absolute arrogance to think that man can cause global warming And in MY opinion...it is absolute ignorance to think that we play no part in it 9. prosince 2008, 15:12:57 Subjekt: Re: IMO Vikings: Um actually the scientists from what I've seen will debate the evidence behind Global warming.... And as for Greenland.. Isn't it true that ice sheets around it are disintegrating? And as a statement of how we can affect the planet... 14 years after the accident at Chernobyl sheep in Wales still had to be checked to see what their radiation levels were and if they were safe to sell for meat. 9. prosince 2008, 15:29:05 Subjekt: Re: IMO (V): I dont think anybody is arguing that man does not have an effect on the planet! Its just are we really 1 year away from irreversible and catastrophic problems if we dont ruin our economy even more by adopting the Kyoto protocol? 9. prosince 2008, 15:36:10 Subjekt: Re: IMO Czuch: I would say no,lol...BUT if we don't change things NOW,then what?? 9. prosince 2008, 15:52:52 Subjekt: Re: IMO  anastasia: Do you really think that man can reverse the climate changes? How would that be possible? Earth will do what he wants to do and nothing will stop him...  9. prosince 2008, 16:06:12 Subjekt: Re: IMO Pedro Martínez: her...Earth is always referred to in the feminan manner ;) I think man can stop the climate changes from going any further by reducing polution and other greenhouse gasses into the air.....plant more trees,preserve what we have 9. prosince 2008, 16:22:26 Subjekt: Re: IMO anastasia: Yes, I've noticed. Earth is always referred to in the feminine manner...by you. So if we said OK, now we'll move back to caves, stop using all the "pollutants", etc etc, it would stop the sea level from rising, it would stop the glaciers from melting? I have to apologize to you for what I am now going to say, but that's just an unbelievable ignorance of the entire history of our planet, it's just so ridiculous. You know what's the biggest threat to Earth? People like you. 9. prosince 2008, 16:41:35 Subjekt: Re: IMO Pedro Martínez: I never said move back to caves and stop using pollutants altho cutting back on polutats would be bad...why???...I did however say,if we cut a tree,plant a tree,preserve what we have...No need to aploigize for your opinion,however why I am I the threat? Because I want to make this planet a better place? To not pollute it so much??..hang me up,I want to plant a tree and save an owl..OMG run for the hills!! Hide your kids!!! 9. prosince 2008, 18:01:17 Subjekt: Re: Earth is always referred to in the feminine manner...by you. Pedro Martínez: Most creation stories refer to the Earth as being feminine. For eg the Maori creation story refers to the sky being Father and the Earth being Mother. In Judaism the Adam is formed out of the Adamah "אדםה" which is the female form of ground. And as far as I've always been taught, it is right and only proper to refer to Earth as "Mother Earth" And no, maybe stopping the pollutants may not stop natural variations in the Earth's weather... But It'll reduce our impact. 10. prosince 2008, 00:44:02 Subjekt: Re: IMO Pedro Martínez: So if we said OK, now we'll move back to caves, stop using all the "pollutants", etc etc, it would stop the sea level from rising, it would stop the glaciers from melting? I have to apologize to you for what I am now going to say, but that's just an unbelievable ignorance of the entire history of our planet, it's just so ridiculous. You know what's the biggest threat to Earth? People like you.  Did somebody give you a lobotomy while you were gone?10. prosince 2008, 01:03:09 Subjekt: Re: IMO Czuch: Did somebody give you a lobotomy while you were gone? Hmmm, I guess so, as I don't have a clue what you're getting at.  10. prosince 2008, 01:06:29 Subjekt: Re: IMO Pedro Martínez: My bad memory I guess... seems to me you used to be one of the biggest supporters of the Kyoto Protocol and a huge proponent of 'global warming'? 10. prosince 2008, 01:23:28 Subjekt: Re: IMO Czuch: I believe I had actually never commented on this issue here. Simply because I didn't have enough information back then. People are being "massaged" by the environmentalist propaganda and it seems to me as if it has become some new sort of religion, at least here in Europe. Governments keep adopting new and new "green" laws just because it's popular and even if they see and know it's just not right to limit people's freedoms only for the sake of some unfounded catastrophic theory, they do not dare to oppose the prevalent opinion. I'm already sick of this. I'm not free to use the bulbs I want (because they're not "environment-friendly"), I have to pay more for diesel fuel (because it's not "environment-friendly"), my taxes are higher because the government needs more money to fight the global warming, etc etc. Where's the reason? Can you imagine the laugh, the blast, people will have in some 200 years from now, looking back at what we're doing right now? 10. prosince 2008, 01:37:42 Subjekt: Re: IMO Pedro Martínez: maybe they will say...working with the knowledge that the people had then (meaning US right now) they tried doing what they thought was right. You guys HAVE to use certain light bulbs?? I am not 100% sold on the new ones here,sure they save energy and help reduce energy costs to the people using them...BUT what alot of people don't know,I never knew till the news report is that if one breaks,say in my kitchen I drop it,I have to have speacial haz mat stuff to clean it (I'm sure EVERYONE has some of that in the pantries,right?) because the lights contain mercury and everyone knows what murcuery does 10. prosince 2008, 01:43:55 Subjekt: Re: IMO anastasia: Well get used to it as it is already a law that all light bulbs here have to be those energy savings bulbs by I believe 2011. oh and you cant throw the new bulbs away either away 10. prosince 2008, 02:01:04 Subjekt: Re: IMO Vikings: we already have some here in the house..I do like the light they give,but really...how DO you get rid of them when the burn out?? recycle I would assume...but if they recyle them the way they are recycling on that story Nirvana posted then it is kind of a moot point....(I have been waiting to use that word,hehe..lil things make me happy :) 10. prosince 2008, 01:53:15 Subjekt: Re: IMO Pedro Martínez: I believe I had actually never commented on this issue here. I know I am losing my mind now... I would have sworn... must have been Gogul, or Andre or someone like that who told me what an idiot I was for not supporting it (the kyoto) anyway, I have debated with so many for so long on so many topics, no wonder I confuse myself! Oh yeah, you supported invading Iraq too right?  10. prosince 2008, 00:39:52 Subjekt: Re: IMO anastasia: I think man can stop the climate changes from going any further by reducing polution and other greenhouse gasses into the air.....plant more trees,preserve what we have Before man and our pollution and our greenhouse gases, what cause the climate to change back then? 10. prosince 2008, 01:06:06 Subjekt: Re: IMO Czuch: lordy...have you read nothing I posted?? I agree,earth has always gone through the heating/cooling cyles...I AGREE.....what I said was that we are adding more then the earth can process right now. 10. prosince 2008, 01:11:27 Subjekt: Re: IMO anastasia: Sorry, I kind of respond to them as I read them, there were 25 unread when I got here... I thought I remember a few days back on gen chat you were surprised that I didnt agree with the global warming crowd? Anyway, from what I read lately you seem to have moderated more on the topic, and although you are for environmental protection, you arent out there saying we need to ruin economies to keep the glaciers from melting and the sea from flooding NY. 10. prosince 2008, 01:15:37 Subjekt: Re: IMO Czuch: I do believe in global warming...I do know that the earht goes through it's natural cycles....I'm REALLY ok with people having different opinions as I do...I amvery glad to hear that even tho alot of you don;t agree there is a global warming problem you still recylce,and try to reduce what you throw away...and I know about all the posts,I added this one to my favorites list so that I never get to far behind on the posts,lol!!! 9. prosince 2008, 15:42:44 Subjekt: Re: IMO Czuch: Over here they show the Gore film at schools, but they also state that it's not that accurate in certain details. That's why I read and listen to the scientific community who are the ones advising our governments on what's going on. |
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