tonyh: Looks that way to me too, tony. That is wacky!!

Fencer: As i see it, with 2 rounds to go, Pbarb2 had 4612 left but managed to bet 6612, giving a plus total of 2000 - but am I reading it wrong?

tonyh: I see nothing "whacky". What do you mean?

Fencer; please have a look at the closing two rounds of this Pond. Something whacky happened to pbarb2's score.

Hrqls: That's like asking me what's wrong with Einstein's theory of relativity. hehehehehe

How in the world would I know?

ClayNashvilleTn: whats wrong with it ?

Fencer:Let me say this about the Formula that you posted,

Fencer: ok thanks :)

Hrqls: It's calculated only when the pond is finished :-)
Statistics - not yet.

Fencer: ah! ok so its calculated only when you fall in the pond (or when you win it) .. not every round

thanks :)

are ponds calculated into the win/loss ratio in the statistics as well ?

is the pond bkr also calculated into the average bkr ?

Hrqls: You cannot count it as "win" or "loss". The formula has some input parameters - your current BKR, average BKR of all opponents, current BKR of each opponent, number of "wins" [players with lower final order], number of "draws" [players on the same level as you], number of "losses" [players with higher final order]. It takes all of this, makes some creepy things with them and spits out the result as your new BKR :-)

Fencer: for example in a game with 16 players ...

i am ok in the first round : 1 win of me against the one who fell in using both our bkrs to calculate our new bkr once the pond is finished

i fell in the second round : 1 loss against all who remains in ? does that mean it counts as 1 game lost to someone who would have the same bkr as the average bkr of everyone still int ? or does it mean 14 losses to each remaining player indivually ?

Fencer: Thanks for the laymens version ;)

The smaller text for BKRs is much nicer. ;-)

rod03801: This one. Yes, the same is applied on normal games but in a simplified way.

Fencer, would you consider telling us what the formula is? (In layman terms, preferably.. lol)

Cathy1: 16 players might be a little better because what really matters is the average BKR of all your opponents. But not only this, of course.

Fencer:

Is it better (for BKR) to win in a pond with 70 players than in a pond with 16 players?

BIG BAD WOLF: You are guessing right.

I'm guessing that the BKR changes once the tournament is complete. Going to be a big hit for some in the "first run" pond. Luckly, I'm still going.

Czuch Chuckers: Not always, it depends on your opponents' BKR. Falling in the pond with low rated players is worse.

Fencer: So is falling in the first round with 100 person pond worse (for bkr) than falling with a 16 person pond?

Czuch Chuckers: don't worry about it. the BKR formula is probably still far from convergence, if it ever does. you're bound to bounce up again.

Not exactly. The formula is more complex in this case but the basic idea is the same.

So, lets see if I have this bkr thing correct.... If I drop outin the first round, is the same as if I lost to everyone else in that pond, and that everyone else jus beat me, and our bkr will be calculated against every player in the game this way each round that goes by, using the same "chess rating formula" that all the other games use?

rabbitoid: Thanks! I saw that already....
I was 2009 for awhile there. I will allow anyone who at least was at 2000, hows that?

Sorry BBW, but it is obviously more important for me to get 2nd place than it is for you to win the pond,

Czuch Chuckers:
Over a 2000 BKR Only Pond Creator: Czuch Chuckers


FOR ANYONE WITH A 2000 BKR OR HIGHER ONLY PLEASE!

Pond ID: 469
Minimum number of players: 16
Maximum number of players: 16
Time per move: 1 day
Start: 4. May 2005, 15:00:00


Sign up for the run

Signed players
4 players
Maxxina 2664
Vikings 2442
Pedro Martínez 2392
Czuch Chuckers 1965

hERE IS ONE FOR ANYONE OVER A 2000 BKR...

http://brainking.com/en/Pond?g=469&trnst=0

Fencer: Thanks for that clarification :)
I said that (or something similar) on the other pond board about a month ago....3 wins isnt as good as 6 3rds or whatever LOL...I know what I mean hehehe

*******EDIT*******
here is part of what I posted in answer to Czuch :)

I have had about OH DEAR...about 6-8 2nds? I think....but as Barb said below it isnt very often I finish out of the top 5....maybe that has something to do with it....Only Fencer can answer that :)

But example: wins = 10, 2nd = 8, 3rd = 6, 4th = 4 etc etc.

in 5 games you have 2 wins, 1 3rd, 2 misses. = 26(does sound better than mine.)
I have 3 3rds, 1 2nd, 1 4th. = 30.
now this is an example only going on my rates of being in top 5 finishing....

Well, the ratings are based on final positions of the particular pond players. When you have the last round of a finished pond, consider players behind you as your wins, players on the same position as draws and the rest as your losses. And, of course, their current BKR is significant for the BKR result.

No it doesnt change with each game completed...well I dont think so....I have had 2-3 completed games today Im sure and my rating is the same as it was 9 hours ago :)

shouldn't our rating be by our names on this board?

Thad: Ha! I'm more than low enough for this one!

I think it changes with each pond completed...:)

another question, Does the ratings change with each round completed, or does it change only when the pond is finished?

Excellent suggestion, rod03801. Here's the first pond for players with select BKRs (under 2000):

http://brainking.com/game/Pond?g=463

Well, as a work-around, until we have that ability, you can create a pond, specify the bkr range, and just remove people who sign up that don't fall in your specified range..

Ok, now that we have ratings, can we have it so that we can select the BKR range that we want to allow in our pond? No offense, but I'd like to play a pond without Pedro, BBW, rabbitoid, Maxxina, tonyh, or Vikings.

Pedro Martínez: or make it red :)

Or just make the BKR a smaller number...

Me be first in rating ? you gotta be kidding me :]

I love that their is a rating now for a pond, but I can already tell you that having the persons BKR rating on the actual pond game IS going to mess some up when they mean to look at "points left", and look at the BKR instead and make a bad bid.

How about moving the BKR rating to the left of the players name (next to the order) - and not next to the points left.

thanks pedro wooooo

grenv: and it dont take long to fall...Ive gone from 2nd Place to 3rd place in a matter of hours LOLOL....and have only one win :)

I think you're overreacting a little, most of the leaders have won a lot of ponds. I would have to assume that opps ratings is a big part of it, as well as the size of the pond etc.

How about showing number of wins as well as number of games.

rabbitoid: LOL!
Yes indeed, if those who are winning all of the Ponds, ie Pedro, deside to play more for their BKR than for their win total, that will certainly help those frustraed with a lack of wins total ;)

Czuch Chuckers: yes, please, Fencer, tell them how they can maximize their BKR, since thats what they want, so that I can win more ponds

I notice that the pond games are still not listed in a persons profile under their games played and number of wins etc....

I agree with Bry.... tell us how the rankings are calculated so we can maximize our games to help our rankings. It seems that win percentage and percentage in the top 5 etc are not that important. Maybe it is more important to play in a lot of games? Does it matter the rankings of the other players in the pond as well?

Lots of questions, but thanks Fencer :)