ClayNashvilleTn: I'm missing something here. These people lose playing that way, don't they? It almost sounds like you're complaining about them playing stupidly in the face of logic. If they're not going to change their ways, they're not going to win. Maybe they just like hanging around in the game without winning. If staying in the game is a criteria for winning, their strategy would work, but it doesn't. The rating system is flawed, so do as I do when it comes to Ponds and the BKR for it. Just ignore the rating and try to win the game. This game was fine without the rating, and you can still play it without thinking about it.