Pedro Martínez:  I doubt that is Beck's position on illegal aliens.  He sees the system as broken.  He opposes ignoring the problems (like letting illegal criminals go because it's politically correct to support illegals).  He opposes allowing illegals to cross our borders unchecked.  He opposes giving illegals amnesty.  They broke the law.  What does it matter WHY they broke the law.  We operate by the rule of law.  Sob stories are no excuse for breaking the law. 

Among the many truly needy people crossing our borders, there are terrorists, outlaws, and trash (as in trashy people). 

The current system is exploitative.   Politicians exploit the situation for votes and popularity, others for financial reasons.  Meanwhile the problems persist. 

It's not too much to ask of the US government to do their constitutional duty.  

Pedro Martínez: but all illegal immigrants are outlaws by definition, because it is illegal to come here illegally, .
All kidding aside there are exceptions I will concede,as there are with almost any arguement, but overall most of those exceptions will originate from one of those three categories.

I get your point, I used to say that Beck is a little too much of an alarmist, but in time what he says proves to be true

I think the main point is that people attack him to distract from the point that they don't like the facts that he points out. ie argue about Beck and ignore the acorn coruption and maybe it will all go away.
Its the same way with the tea parties, ague that they are a mob and ignore their wishes, even tho it was patriotic when there were demonstrations against Bush's policies

Vikings: I am not saying that the U.S. immigration laws are wrong or that there are not reasons to have them, I just wanted to point out that there are many illegal immigrants who don't fit Beck's categorization. I agree with that guy on most issues but sometimes he just seems to be too short-sighted. And I think this is exactly the case. Not all illegal immigrants are terrorists, outlaws (this is pure demagoguery) or poor trash from dirtbag countries.

Pedro Martínez: your first point proves my point, the kids come over to reunify with their parents who came here because "they couldn't make a living under their in their own dirtbag country". Call it a tomato or call it a tomato but that is what the story that YOU refer to says, on a side note it proves that even poor people know that they would be better off under a capitalistic society.
as far as your population point, I was referring to it from the viewpoint of the other side than you, I'll have to do some research but I tend to think that it falls into the "can't make a living..." as I believe that I have heard that most countries(with the exception of Asian countries) are not sustainable under their current growth rate.

As far as the gay couples, thats a whole other debate as our immigration laws (even tho they are not followed properly) have reasons for letting or not letting people in. And it is not bigotry

Übergeek 바둑이:  Nonsense.   Out of context quotes are meaningless.  I've listened to him nearly everyday and if he were a true racist, it would be obvious. 

Some illegals are terrorists.  Some are outlaws.  And many can't make money in their own dirtbag country (Mexico). 

But the key word is illegal.  They break the law by crossing the border improperly.   It's the responsibility of the US President to secure our borders.   US citizens have a right to expect that.

Vikings: I am telling you that those three reasons ARE the major causes of illegal immigration. Whether you like it or not. It's a fact. On family reunification, read this, for example:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/27/AR2006082700771.html

Or this:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2006/us0506/6.htm#_Toc132691968


Poverty doesn't fall under "can't make a living under their own dirtbag country," "can't make a living under their own dirtbag country" falls under poverty.

And the fact that there is a legal way to immigrate because of population growth doesn't mean that there are not a number of illegal immigrants who leave their countries for this reason and enter other countries without visas or other permits. So keep waiting, I'll be waiting for yesterday.

Pedro Martínez: well family reunification wouldn't be illegal, and there is a legal means for population immigration and poverty falls under "can't make a living under their own dirtbag country" so I'll still be waiting for a legitimate reason

Vikings: The three major causes of illegal immigration are family reunification, poverty and population growth, none of which were mentioned by Beck.

Übergeek 바둑이: can you name one more legitimate reason that doesn't fall under one of those 3 catagories?
Remember the key word is Illegal

Artful Dodger:

> the race card

I will say this about Glenn Beck. If he is not a racist, why then make comments like this:

"Illegal immigrants are either terrorists, outlaws, or people who can't make a living in their own dirtbag country."

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200604280003

Consider this other video and how he expresses himself about Mexicans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZoHlWIoCIo

He might not think he is racist, but his behavior borders on it. When he called Obama a racist, all I can say is "it takes one to know one".

Artful Dodger: I'm still waiting to know what the Conservative idea is. I feel like Columbo.. so confused over it all.

(V):  shhhhhh, I'm watching Glen Beck.  He's making great points as I write this!!! 

Artful Dodger: Is criticising Conservative ideas illegal in the USA, or just a normal part of politics, media and what not?

And ya forget... I ain't American.. saying "offered a slot by MSNBC. " means nothing.. is it a USA conservative metaphor?

thanks to the multitudes of people that pointed out that I missed a word, I'm glad you all have my back

(V):  His show is number one.

The Young Turks were offered a slot by MSNBC. 

That says it all. 

Artful Dodger: Awww I just punched Beck's name in youtube I saw what came up.

Beck would be great in a certain out take show over here...

He'd be up there with Maradona

(V):  weak

(V):  BTW, using excerpts from "The Young Turks" show as evidence against Beck is like using an excerpt from Beck's show as evidence against them.  You can't get much more far left than that group. 

Artful Dodger: Nahhhhhhh...

He wanted people to have hope... not tons of dresses.

(V):  Seen it.  He'd vote for Palin. 

Artful Dodger: Palin... as Pesident.... You need to watch "V for Vendetta"

And no... not everyone is a fraud... but such is business that people want to make a profit

(V):"There is fraud everywhere.... Agreed?"

Everywhere?  Even under the couch?   In principle I agree.  But that alone doesn't mean that everyone is a fraud.   Clearly that's not the case.

Palin was the best choice for President.  Better than ANY other choice. 

Artful Dodger: It's PM here..... had dinner, having a beer.

I'll look through some more am... now it's just fun time.

Artful Dodger: I don't play it that way. McCain I hear had health problems that could have left Palin as Pres... doesn't that make you afraid??

There is fraud everywhere.... Agreed?

(V):  waiting for my pm

Bwild: Actually many (if not most) third world countries have too many guns and totally unregulated in control. There was the famous bout of Iraqi police selling guns to those killing Allied soldiers.. Guns they were given to keep the peace.

(V):  Beck is right about most things.   He's exposed a lot of fraud in the White House.  Recently he exposed a few things about John McCain.  He said McCain would have been worse for the country than Obama.  

If Obama was white, and McCain black, Beck would have been called a racist for that comment.   That's how the game is played.

Artful Dodger: our country and many others are run by the likes of soros. when they finally succede in taking away our guns...we'll be no better off than most 3rd world countries.

Bwild:

(V): Ok. *burp*

Artful Dodger: He is funny, and goes over the edge. The really funny thing is that he gets paid so much to be a real American.

Like Douglas Adams said... "from a time when men were real men, when women were real women.. and small furry creatures from Alpha Centuri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centuri".

Note the over use of the word "real".

Bwild: Obama has direct ties to ACORN but  is trying to distance his relational ties to that organization.  Unfortunately for him, he's on VIDEO promising them a voice in the President's decisions. 

(V): your post....like many others you post....makes absolutly no sense to me,and I'd have to be an idiot to try and make you understand anything.

Bwild: Politicians kiss babies to make votes.. Also play head games over details that the other is not perfect.

Who is?

(V):I saw that program live.  It was funny and Beck makes a good point.   But nowhere did I see him play any race card.  He's talking about illegal immigration.  Note the word illegal.  Yeah.  But blundered here big time.  Do you know what the US Constitution has to say about that?  I do. 

The Young Turks is a far left internet radio outfit.  What else would you expect from them? 

I watched beck the other nite as he was pointing out the acorn plot.
interestingly one of acorns top people was appointed by yomama under direct influence from george soros.
wake up and smell the coffee,people.
as far as the race card goes...I knew it was inevitable. demo's would evintually cry out racism when they felt they needed an opinion poll boost.
it doesnt matter that yomama's birth record is gray at the very least...he was popular, and needed to when over public opinion, by the powers that actually run our planet.

Artful Dodger: Yes... hot air flows up.. also warming cold air in the process.

Is this a Zen night??

Gotta get another beer then! *burp*

(V):  Send the others to me via PM.  Unless of course you have nothing to send.  Which is what I suspect.  Hot air flows up. 

Artful Dodger: I'll post one.. his point is the small minority (aka the bloke commentating) who like with the film "Dogma" get ... .... over responsive.

Ya moan about the 'liberal fringe.. respect right has a lunatic element as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiLppliFzbs

(V):  Send those links in a PM.  There, yer out of excuses.

Artful Dodger: Art...... seriously .. do you think a reply like that ain't gonna be considered anything more than theatrics??

(V):  Just as I thought.  You have no examples to offer.  If you make the claim, back it up.  Otherwise it's clear that you are the one who is running on empty. 

Artful Dodger: go loook Art.

You are making a empty argument. And you know it.

(V):  I have seen one video where he was interviewed on Fox and Friends.  He clearly says he thinks Obama is a racist.  I've seen that one before.  You are claiming that Beck plays the race card.  I don't see it.  So if this one video you have is all you've got, you've got nothing. 

Like I said, you don't get the race card ploy.  YOu only think you do.

Artful Dodger: I'm not repeating myself. *says in an Ben Kenobi voice from the old Star Wars*.....

goooo look Art, the video is there...

(V):  So you can't really offer any examples then. 

Artful Dodger: I can, but it'd be more easy just to look on theyoungturks channel. I'm a bit concerned about posting actual links to them, as.. as most people do.. they swear from time to time.

I'm sure, you finding "idiot" as a 'bad' insult, you can understand my suggestion just to look.

(V):  Then you should have no trouble showing several examples of where Beck played the race card.  Go for it.

Artful Dodger: Over here.. 1000+ construction companies conspired to defraud public, private and charity building projects. We can play the '''''fraud''''' game all night. Madoff..... 50 billion... gone.

What is the conservative principle?? I find it confusing seeing as so much change has gone on in that in the last 100 years!!

And Beck does play the race game. He plays many games to 'get a reaction'.. including fake crying.

Come on Art, it's pointless saying the guy doesn't do this, they do that when Beck's stuff is all on youtube.

(V):  Glen Beck doesn't play the race card.  I doubt you really understand what that even means.