(V): More to the truth: I like the idea of eliminating bad guys and saving the innocents. Even if that means using torture.

Artful Dodger: So you'd quite happily become what you say you are against!!

Hasn't history taught you anything... In the end killing does not work. You can't kill an idea.

If the USA did what you thought was a good idea, it'd have to be labelled as a terrorist state. Well, it'd have to be labelled as a state that has gone from using others (dictators/drug lords, etc) to direct acts of murder and terror.

N' in the process you'd be abandoning Jesus. Becoming an example of what is written of 'righteous' men gone wacko.. as written!!

(V): It's not terrorism trying to save lives of innocent people. That's what I'm talking about. You apparently are ok with the murder of innocent children, even your own! Amazing! I'm for pulling out all the stops and I don't care if it's "legal" or not. Why should I be concerned about some terrorist that wants to harm (kill) others? You speak of taking the moral high ground but to you that ground is letting innocent children be blown to bits! But at least you can say you didn't use torture against thugs, murderers, evil men! You just sat by and did nothing while they continued killing innocent people.

And not trying to kill an idea. Duh! Trying to kill known terrorists. BTW, your government has the same policy as does the USA.

Artful Dodger: I didn't say that. I said I was not happy to commit an act of torture.

"But at least you can say you didn't use torture against thugs, murderers, evil men!"

And become a thug, murderer and evil man in the process. Wow... Quite happy to be hellbound aren't you? Just like the Muslim version of "the book people".

"Trying to kill known terrorists. BTW, your government has the same policy as does the USA. "

Yes it does, but we are still accountable to the likes of the Geneva convention and other things.

I mean... you keep avoiding the point but, how does this idea of death and murder sit with what's in the Bible and the teachings of Jesus Christ.

.. it doesn't does it. Just as suicide bombers are breaking the word of Muhammed.

(V): Your basic position is to sit by and do nothing and let innocent people, even children, be murdered. You'd turn your neighbor in in Nazi Germany!

(V): It isn't murder to kill those who are trying to kill you and other innocent people. In fact, it's the responsibility of those stronger to protect those that are weaker. While you would let murderers kill and maim, I'd put a few hole in their heads.

Your answer is to do nothing. Maybe it's just that you have a yellow streak down your back.