(V): "No answer from Dan or Lamon lyme."

You didn't ask me, but since you obviously want my opinion...

My opinion is you only want an excuse to continue ragging on and on about religion. And since my answer would not involve religion, I cannot satisfy that desire. But if you could drop the inquisition mentality long enough to focus on the "It's a womans body" argument, I do have an answer for that.

First of all, I am not a woman. But I have cared for infants who are too helpless to help themselves. Tell me V, how many newborns do you think are not helpless, and able to survive without anyones help?

If I'm going about my business and grow weary of caring for one of these helpless little people, then I could use the same argument for leaving the little gubber by the side of the road to fend for itself. It's my body, and who has the right to tell me what to do with my body? My body is selfish and lazy, and tired of hauling this little crying and pooping bundle of joy everywhere I go.

The difference between a baby in the womb and a baby in my arms is apparently so vast, that it's probably incomprehensible for you to grasp the significance of "helplessness". So maybe you should try figuring this one out for yourself.

Or, you might try to find a pregnant woman who knows the difference between her own body and the body of the person she is carrying. But don't try telling her it's okay for her to kill that person, or she might bonk you on the head with her purse. Don't be that man... you know, the kind of man that lumps all women together and thinks he can say the exact same thing to any woman he crosses paths with.

Iamon lyme: Jules asked me a question? Could have fooled me. I've been skipping over his babble. What's he asking? About Mormonism and Romney?

Artful Dodger: "What's he asking? About Mormonism and Romney?"

lol I must have skipped over the Mormonism and Romney rants... I didn't read any of those.

Iamon lyme: I know all about Mormonism. The Mormons quit coming to my door. I always give them a hard time I guess. The last time they came to my door one of the Mormons swore at me. Then he told me I was pissing him off. I reminded him that he came to MY door uninvited and that he needed to remember that. I wasn't even being mean. I was just pointing out some of the inconsistencies in their claims.

Artful Dodger: I remember Jehovahs Witnesses coming to my door, but not any Mormons. There are Mormons where I live, but I don't think they do a lot of door to door visits unless it's with someone they already know... meaning, other Mormons.

Iamon lyme: The JWs just leave comic books to read and never want to talk much. But they hardly ever come by. The Mormons are out on their little missions and come to my town from all over the US. They are just doing their little mission thing that's required of them and they all say the same thing to start with. They are dressed in suits and cute little backpacks and want to know if there's some work they can help with. I needed some rock moved so I pointed to the pile and they said they'd be back the next day. Never heard from them again. But a year later two different dudes show up.

Artful Dodger: I always accept the comic books, except for the one time I was expected to pay a quarter for it. I don't think that was supposed to be part of the routine, I think the young lady just didn't like the idea of the cost coming out of her own pocket. It was funny, she didn't mention the quarter until I reached out to take the offered comic book, so there we were both holding onto it. But I did think about it for a few seconds before letting go of the book. LOL

Iamon lyme: lol

I like to ask the Mormons, "Why are you here." Then when they give me an answer I challenge it. They tell me they are here to offer help if I need something done and to share "another testament of Jesus Christ." But I ask them where they are from and I get "California" or "Georgia" So I explain that they are NOT here to see if I need help, they are here to fulfill their obligations to their church and they are using me to do it. I explain that they are not even from here and have no personal interest in me except for how visiting my home helps them fulfill their missionary requirements. And, I say, you are here to tell me my views are wrong and yours are right.

It just goes downhill from there.

Artful Dodger: LOL You have less patience that I do. I endure the pitch for as long as I can, and then I tell them. You're right though, it's all down hill after that.

It's probably better your way. I just make it worse by leading them to think I don't know anything before dropping the hammer. For me it's all about time and interest... do I have the time to deal with this, and do I feel at all interested in going through with this again? LOL

Iamon lyme: They haven't returned now for a few years but they still come to the neighborhood several times a year. They skip by my house for some reason.

Artful Dodger: "They skip by my house for some reason."

Sometimes rejection is a good thing. If you tripped and fell down a hole and landed in hell, they would just toss you back... they don't want your kind down there.

Iamon lyme: re: "Sometimes rejection is a good thing. If you tripped and fell down a hole and landed in hell, they would just toss you back... they don't want your kind down there"

awwww, that's so sweet

The Col: Your application has been pre approved, and your card activated. enjoy yerself.

Iamon lyme: Do you mind if I use that line?
I've been using "Is your dad in jail, because he stole the stars from the sky and put them in your eyes!"

Iamon lyme: lol

Artful Dodger: Okay, we've covered the Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses. But what would you say to these guys if they came to your door?

Iamon lyme: I have a huge Pit Bull named god. If they atheist say they don't believe in God, god bites their.....butts. Then they become believers.

Artful Dodger: That cartoon cracks me up. After carefully reading a blank piece of paper, who wouldn't be convinced in the existence of... nothing?

Iamon lyme: Well, I would try to keep an open mind about it.

Iamon lyme: Wow... a straight forward reply seems to be out of the question for you.

(V): You were the one who asked. If you don't like the answer, then ask someone who gives you an answer you do like.

I will tell you what I think, but I'm not here to tell you only what you want to hear. Talking to you has been like talking to one of those pre-progammed question/answer machines.

So tell me V, how do you figure ignoring my answer can in any way support your thesis? How does that work?

Iamon lyme: The answer seems to be you have no respect for the woman. You only consider her a baby machine. Most of the rest was just mumbo jumbo made up bull.

I do like answers, just I like them from people who will answer straight rather than play spin games.

(V): LOL Well, seeing as how I think with my brain, then I guess there is no point in... oh man, you really are a piece of work. LOL

By the way, when did you stop being "your mothers body" and start being something else... or are you still waiting for that to happen. LOL

Iamon lyme: Jules is clueless on the abortion debate. Don't waste your time.

Iamon lyme: It's a term.. You do understand metaphors and the like?

I was 'carried' for about nine months. Until I was born I relied on a (this is science) a parasitic lifestyle (just as you and everyone else does) where my embryo released a hormone to stop my host's immune system killing me.

I thank the woman for carrying me, and out of respect for her I'd never force her or any other woman by law to be automatic baby carriers.

I guess I have respect for life that is first and not a life that maybe and cannot be for several months on it's own.

(V): Okay, then I'll rephrase the question. When did your parasitic lifestyle end and... oh forget it.

It's obvious when an answer is too much for you. You either spam the board until it leaves the page, or you start fights that end in a moderator deleting it for you. I have news for you, the moderators won't automatically delete the parts only YOU find offensive. Grow up.

Iamon lyme: You don't like my answer and are moaning.

Tuff.

Iamon lyme: He's just regurgitating the abortion rights talking points. Tells you what he thinks of children in the womb.