MadMonkey: nope not fair but unfortnetly there is always a down side to changing the vacation rules. someone will be un happy no matter what. My proposal of giving people a speed rating they can use to see if they want to play a game with someone has no downsides because it is not changing things just giving us more information to make intelligent decisions by. It will not guarantee a game will go fast but will at least let you avoid those chronic dodlers if you care. If such a system is implemented then you should be able to set limits for games and tournaments.

mctrivia: Speed rating would not help in tournament & team tournament games when you don't pick the person you play.

In MadMonkey's game, I'm curious if the other person is using vacation days or somehow getting around them since doing quick math - July 7th - 15 weeks - can use 5 vacation days a week (2 weekend days) = 75 vacation days used!!!!!

If this is indeed a bug of some sort, then it needs to be fixed. The current system should work pretty well - yea, someone can hold up a game, but not forever like it seems some are able to do.

coan.net: Its not just my game, its every game in that Tournament that player is in. I thought Logik was a pretty quick game.

What is worse it the player is still getting entered into Team Tournaments. I actually refused a Team challenge yesterday until the player was removed.

Crazy

MadMonkey: Well I hope Fencer will look into it. How a person has used up to 75 vacation days (should have 45 vacation days at most for Black Rook) - and still have 13 left.

If it's a bug - it needs to be fixed. If it's not a bug, then how is it done?

coan.net: You get extra vacation days if you renew your membership (or buy another for someone else in case of Black Rooks).

pauloaguia: Yes, there should be a limit as to how many times one person can do that in a year. I can see possibly letting someone do it once, but after that it becomes unfair to that person's opponents!

rod03801: imo you shouldn't even be able to get extra vacation days... but I'm not the decision maker around here, so no point in going any further with that...

pauloaguia: Is that what happened in this case, or are you just saying that might be a possibility? If so, then they are purchasing a membership every couple of months to be able to continue to get vacation days. (and if not - would still like Fencer to look at it to make sure it isn't a bug)

I would agree that the practice of getting more vacation days when purchasing another membership should go away.

coan.net: another one is playing around with weekend days and unsetting previously marked vacation days (if you set 20 vacation days and make a move on a 1 day game it will only timeout 20 days later. If you then unset the vacation days, the timeout is not changed - if the timeout date was set to only 1 day this wouldn't happen - currently if, when timing out, there is a vacation day set the timeout is already postponed 1 day)

I don't even know the game or the name of the player so I'm only guessing...

pauloaguia: yea, I knew there was some way to play around with the vacations to get more then you really have - and that is why I would LOVE to have Fencer take a look and see if this person is doing something that is allowed (buying more vacation days), or messing with the system to get themselves more vacation days - which of course hurts the site & is a pain for every other good person on the site. (in which possible either 1. take away rest of vacations for offender, or better yet - fix it so once a vacation day is set, it can't be removed or something similar so the system is not abused.)

coan.net: Disallowing changes in vacation days is not a good option in my opinion. There are always mistakes or last minutes change of plans and being able to unset vacations seems quite natural to me.
What I don't get is why is it that the system should account for vacation days that haven't even been set. I understand it comes from the old vacation system but the way it is now you can't timeout on a vacation day anyway...

pauloaguia: yes, I agree - it would be better for the system to calculate time-out days without even paying attention if there is a vacation day set - since it won't time out anyway.

(If this is indeed a bug which some are taking advantage of, I'm just trying to come up with a solution to fix it.) People like that give good slow players like myself a bad name

coan.net: speed rating could help in tournament games if you can set an upper limit to what your rating should be to get in to a tournament.